Stan Jonathon Charged.

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Originally Posted by Huntnfish

Sunday now Saturday make up your mind, what's a Burlington boy telling me what happens in my town, buddy I drive at all different times as I am a shift worker please spare me your stories about lots of people hunting around here, i have yet to see one person with a bow or gun walking around, sure it happens but your chicken little approach is B.S and if you live hear I hear the gun club all the time.

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Where is the club located?... Only gun club I know of is haha in copetown...

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Originally Posted by welsh

Peter Kosid, the victim, had permission to hunt on the property. Stan Jonathan did not.

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He may have had permission from the property owner , but I just found out today that a non native , MUST HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE BAND COUNCIL , did he have that ?
Again , is this true ? haven't seen this in wring , was also told that the land owner must be with the non native while he is hunting on reserve property.
Also Stan Jonathan was given permission to go on the property with his ATV, he was told that it was too muddy to drive on with his truck, that is when he discovered that he had shot someone.
Only through time and the courts will we find out what actually is the truth, if the news media does not distort it.

All this gets away from the central question: was Jonathan negligent?

Nothing in Kosid's conduct can reflect on Jonathan's negligence. It doesn't matter whether he was allowed to be there. It only matters whether Jonathan properly identified his target.

It's true we won't know the whole truth until it comes out in court, and perhaps not even then. But most of these questions are meaningless anyway.

Jonathon pulled the trigger and aimed his firearm at a target that he wasn't sure off. The victim could have been just as easily a native as a non native. Bottom line is this, I could give a rats behind if Stan Jonathon is a nice guy and I'm certain that won't make the victims wife or parents feel any better. What Jonathon did was reckless, irresponsible and just plain downright stupid. The first rule of anyone who owns a firearm is to make sure of your target. He didn't and he deserves to spend the next 4 years in jail because of it.

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Originally Posted by stilchen67

Jonathon pulled the trigger and aimed his firearm at a target that he wasn't sure off. The victim could have been just as easily a native as a non native. Bottom line is this, I could give a rats behind if Stan Jonathon is a nice guy and I'm certain that won't make the victims wife or parents feel any better. What Jonathon did was reckless, irresponsible and just plain downright stupid. The first rule of anyone who owns a firearm is to make sure of your target. He didn't and he deserves to spend the next 4 years in jail because of it.

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Bingo now that is what us hunters and firearm owners should understand. Firing a high powered rifle off a road way against a target he was not aware is a big no no. Who cares if he had permission or did not. These laws apply to hunters and all firearm owners.

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Originally Posted by pbonura

Where is the club located?... Only gun club I know of is haha in copetown...

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Tamarac is located right along the escarpment, been there for a long time, I think it is quite expensive to join but I have never been there. HAHA is actually located in Ancaster as well.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

An article in today's Toronto Sun says that Stan Jonathon has been charged in the accidental shooting death of another hunter in November 2012. Charges include Careless use of a firearm,Careless Hunting and Criminal Negligence causing Death (Firearm). This is something we all need to be conscious of while hunting.

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Back to the OP. I hope they drop the "careless hunting" charge, if all that I'm reading is true, Mr. Jonathon was not really hunting.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Stan Jonathon was originally charged with Criminal Negligence Causing Death and Careless Use of a Firearm in December, 2012.
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...xDN/story.html

The news from last week is not that he was charged, but that he has been committed to stand trial Nov. 20th. I don't know what the initial report Trimmer21 saw actually said, but....
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../22039261.html

It's not unusual for something like this to take two years to wind its way from the initial charges to the trial.

The minumum sentence for Criminal Negligence Causing Death when a firearm is involved is four years.

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This article is somewhat different than the one I read in the Toronto Sun,but,the gist is somewhat similar. My understanding of the events,although through word-of-mouth and not official,is that Stan took a shot across a field from the side of the concession road at a deer moving into the tree line from the field and missed. The bullet passed through the woods,hitting the bow hunter who was well inside the tree line on the neighbors property in full camo and completely out of sight. It wasn't until later when Stan and his hunting buddies went to check for a blood trail from the deer he missed that the body of the bow hunter was discovered.
Some posters have stated that Stan deliberately shot at the guy because he was non-native. That's a terrible thing to insinuate. I would discount that rhetoric out-of-hand. The charges laid certainly don't bear that out.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

He may have had permission from the property owner , but I just found out today that a non native , MUST HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE BAND COUNCIL , did he have that ?
Again , is this true ? haven't seen this in wring , was also told that the land owner must be with the non native while he is hunting on reserve property.
Also Stan Jonathan was given permission to go on the property with his ATV, he was told that it was too muddy to drive on with his truck, that is when he discovered that he had shot someone.
Only through time and the courts will we find out what actually is the truth, if the news media does not distort it.

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Doesn't matter who did or did not have permission to hunt there. One man fired at an unknown target and another is dead.
KNOW YOUR TARGET AND YOUR BACKDROP. Pretty basic gun safety that even my 7 year old knows.

Excuse me, but ....despite being on Res property, shooting from/across a road, accompanied/not by landowner, wearing camo or orange, trespassing laws, Indian or white man, bow hunting, treestand, "great guy", or WHATEVER....

....the bottom line is that A MAN SHOT ANOTHER MAN and killed him. Plain and simple. Don't lose sight of that.
It is a terrible tragedy and the person who pulled the trigger must be held accountable for his actions.

Like I said before... Would YOU have pulled that trigger???