Handgun carrying on your own property? bear defense.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I have an antique, I also have my RPAL, I know the rules, thanks for the comments.

There is a decent sized group of people who keep 1870s revolvers running and some of whom bring them along on fishing trips for defense but this is more a grizzly country situation.

See the RCMP link.
They need a lock on them (trigger or cable, disassembly is fine too) AND locked in a cabinet or locked in a room or lock the bolt carrier in another vault. It is not an OR statement like non-restricted.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...posage-eng.htm


As for the OP, it is less of a pain to keep a 12ga pump around with a short barrel. You can get legal 12in and 14in barrels (manufactured that way) for an 870. As long as your OAL remains above the minimum you will remain non-restricted and be able to use it anywhere you can use any other shotgun.

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There is an OR statement for restricted

Restricted and prohibited firearms

• Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into;

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• Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
• For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Maybe taking the courses, doing the LTATT course, learning about antiques, looking into RCMP regulations.

Antique:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...orique-eng.htm

Storing:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...posage-eng.htm

The OP was asking about handguns for protection, for new handguns this is almost impossible in this country, unless you want to use a flintlock as a side arm.

I was giving him the information about antiques in Canada, which is a valid way of using a handgun with open carry as a sidearm for protection and not going against the restricted laws as antiques trump prohibited and restricted rules in Canada.

The following pistol made before 1898 (before Jan 1 1898) would be legal for open carry protection in Canada as it uses the 455 Webley round, not one of the exception calibers of (.22 short, .22 long, .22 long rifle, .32 short colt, .32 long colt, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .32‑20 Winchester, .38 Smith and Wesson; .38 Short Colt, .38 Long Colt, .38-40 Winchester, .44‑40 Winchester, or .45 Colt). These rounds are generally made from blackpowder as most of these revolvers are not proofed for smokeless powder and also use dead soft lead reloaded on a compressed charge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley_Revolver

There is a Wiki link for you.

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Relax! We're only pulling your leg.LOL

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Originally Posted by tracker

Back to original question, carry a shotgun. Does anyone on here know anyone that was actually attacked by a bear? I know two.

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No - but I know of 3 occaissions within 1/2 mile of each other over 2 or 3 years where a bear tracked hunters to their moose/deer stands and then would shuffle around about 10-20 feet away trying to figure out what to do next. In one instance he wandered off, in the second, the hunter unloaded his rifle into the ground in front of the bear and he left, in the third, the hunter had a bear tag.

I'm assuming it was the same bear - and that after the third time it stopped happening.

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Originally Posted by chris1395

There is an OR statement for restricted

Restricted and prohibited firearms

• Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into;

or

• Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
• For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.

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The "OR" statement is for what type of thing that you need to lock it into.
There is no difference between a vault and a cabinet but the word that the person uses. If I build a room to specifically store firearms safely it is a room that is not easily broken in to and visa versa.

There was a situation at Shooter Choice in Waterloo when they brought in the lock and in a locked cabinet rule. The shop did not have a vault big enough for all of them over night for a little while. The display cabinets were legal for display with a trigger lock on them but the vaults were not big enough to keep the bulk of the locks as well. They left them legally in the display cabinets until they had their larger vaults (cabinets) and their store was robbed. The guns would have been better stored without the gun locks on them in the secured cabinets (vaults) but that would have been illegal, so they kept them legal and had them stolen.

I know where you are going though, the reason for it is to keep them secure.

Trimmer, I have been driven up the wall on this board by people acting like I am just a punk kid who knows nothing about anything. Yep, I snapped at your post, but this information is based on recent experience with inheritance, it was a pain in the butt to get the information I needed to prove antique status and to go through all the crap to get the RPAL.

I really hope the NDP don't get in or this will all be for not.

If you feel the need to be armed while in the bush that's a matter of preference. In ON there are very few reasons to do so, but black bears may be a concern. I don't tend to give it much thought, but if I were camping with my young son, it may be something to think about.

The main concern with bears is in areas where they are in contact with humans, and have lost much of their fear. Male bears make up the majority of attacks. The old adage about a mother and cubs is only accurate if you get between the two, otherwise mama usually takes flight with them.

Now, having said that. A short shotgun, with anywhere from a 12" - 18" barrel, would fit the bill just fine.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The "OR" statement is for what type of thing that you need to lock it into.
There is no difference between a vault and a cabinet but the word that the person uses. If I build a room to specifically store firearms safely it is a room that is not easily broken in to and visa versa.

There was a situation at Shooter Choice in Waterloo when they brought in the lock and in a locked cabinet rule. The shop did not have a vault big enough for all of them over night for a little while. The display cabinets were legal for display with a trigger lock on them but the vaults were not big enough to keep the bulk of the locks as well. They left them legally in the display cabinets until they had their larger vaults (cabinets) and their store was robbed. The guns would have been better stored without the gun locks on them in the secured cabinets (vaults) but that would have been illegal, so they kept them legal and had them stolen.

I know where you are going though, the reason for it is to keep them secure.

Trimmer, I have been driven up the wall on this board by people acting like I am just a punk kid who knows nothing about anything. Yep, I snapped at your post, but this information is based on recent experience with inheritance, it was a pain in the butt to get the information I needed to prove antique status and to go through all the crap to get the RPAL.

I really hope the NDP don't get in or this will all be for not.

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Fox I would respectufully disagree, I know its a miniscule point but still there is so much misconception out there on what you can and cannot do especially with restricted firearms. If you look at Section 8.3 - Page 182/183 of your CFRSC course book, it is described in the the minimum requirements, and illustrated in the Figure with long guns and handguns stored together in vault/safe without triggerlocks. I don't have room in my safe for every gun to have trigger locks, I don't even have enough trigger locks equip each gun while in storage. I'm certain I am legal to store them that way.

To add, a Stack-On "cabinet" is not a vault and if thats what a person has, then yes they need to be trigger locked to meet the requirements.

Google Mare's leg or rossi ranch hand.

Why so centered on black bears? What about wolves, coywolves, cougars and sasquatches?

Is shooting a sasquatch homicide or murder? Are they granted the same protection under the law as us?

I know they are out of stock but this is non-restricted.

https://www.canadaammo.com/product/d...y-shotgun-8-5/

8.5in barrel, 3 shot, 12ga, 3in chamber.

If you can miss 3 times on that charging animal you don't need a 4th.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The "OR" statement is for what type of thing that you need to lock it into.
There is no difference between a vault and a cabinet but the word that the person uses. If I build a room to specifically store firearms safely it is a room that is not easily broken in to and visa versa.

There was a situation at Shooter Choice in Waterloo when they brought in the lock and in a locked cabinet rule. The shop did not have a vault big enough for all of them over night for a little while. The display cabinets were legal for display with a trigger lock on them but the vaults were not big enough to keep the bulk of the locks as well. They left them legally in the display cabinets until they had their larger vaults (cabinets) and their store was robbed. The guns would have been better stored without the gun locks on them in the secured cabinets (vaults) but that would have been illegal, so they kept them legal and had them stolen.

I know where you are going though, the reason for it is to keep them secure.

Trimmer, I have been driven up the wall on this board by people acting like I am just a punk kid who knows nothing about anything. Yep, I snapped at your post, but this information is based on recent experience with inheritance, it was a pain in the butt to get the information I needed to prove antique status and to go through all the crap to get the RPAL.

I really hope the NDP don't get in or this will all be for not.

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I have to disagree if the "OR" ref you are making was true it would have been worder differently
-attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired.
-Lock them in a cabinet, container room, or vault......

The "OR" negates the whole first statement if the conditions of the "OR" are met, furthermore a vault or safe or specific modifications ARE different than a cabinet.