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I would never deny a person the opportunity to retrieve a wounded deer. I'd happily help. I can however tell you that if I catch someone crossing my posted, private property without asking, they'll be speaking with both MNR and OPP. I have already dealt with lots of guys looking for the deer they wounded or the hounds that they lost. Funny enough, they never seem to find them.....
I guess we'll never get to hunt together. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
I can't see another hunter or farmer or anyone else with common sense refusing entry to retrieve a deer that wandered on to their property. The people that would refuse are the deranged anti-hunters and I have no use or patience for them. There is no reasoning with them up front so I'd prefer to deal with them after the fact (if I get caught). Down my way there's lots of guys hunting on 10 acre plots. You either hunt there and adapt or take up a new sport!
Absolutely, even after the fact. Help them haul it out even. In fact I have done that, going back near midnight and loading their big buck with my loader.Quote:
Originally Posted by mox72
Was talking to a young lad last fall who had just gotten permission to hunt the corn field next to me for geese. I told him right then and there that if they wounded a bird, and it made it to my property, there was no need to ask me for permission to come finish it off.
I am a hunter. I do and have shared my property as much as I am comfortable with. Trespassers ruin it for everyone.
There. Fixed it for you !! :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by SK33T3R
I respect your opinion then, however i do disagree that a person trespassing for a quick retrieve should be labelled a poacher. The right move is to ask though. Im just relieved you arent one of those guys who thinks he owns the wildlife on his property, dead or alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
That's a negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by mox72
[QUOTE=Big Gunner;852477]Well Bushmoose
I have been hunting for 20 years now and I guess I'm one of those fools. My first reaction would be to finish that deer off, what kind of human would wast time letting an animal suffer while I deal with all the red tape and BS, Well I've been hunting for over 40 yrs and can tell you that common sense would dictate that you, as hunter, should have gotten the permission before your hunt. And then lo n behold, there would be no red tape and BS. To do otherwise is foolish.
There are 2 sets of laws in this world Mans laws and Gods laws and Mans laws can be broken Gods can not. I would get the job done, tagged, harvest the deer and bring it back to my property and get it field dressed and in my freezer. That would be the ethical thing to do and i would like to see a co officer or judge hit you with fines for the doing the moral and ethical right doing. Come on people have we lost all our common scene here. Well carry on then?
I hate to admit it but I kind of agree with our american friend here, what kind of !*&$ would deny you permission and if he did I would be more concerned with the charges from the police after I was done tearing a strip off this person. It's easy to talk big here on the computer but the fact of the matter is you sound a bit childish in your comments.. You speak of ethics, but then you want to straighten out the C.O., the judge and the landowner. If you had the ethical forethought and consideration to get permission prior to the hunt, you would'nt be paying the huge fine that you will be paying one day if you keep that attitude. And oh, don't forget about the part where the police or the CO puts the cuffs on you for being belligerent on scene? They will do that you know. :D
so to answer yes I would ask first but if I didn't ask or they refused I would still go anyways see above
My understanding is that a CO probably will not run interference with a landowner to help retrieve a deer for a hunter.
My understanding is that a landowner can refuse a hunter permission and a CO permission to enter his property to retrieve a deer.
The landowner could not be charged for leaving a deer to spoil and if he decided to retrieve it he can contact the MNR and request a
permit to possess the deer which he would need to keep the deer and have permission before seeking the deer out would be a good idea.
Permission is also required by a hunter who might be seeking to retrieve a deer on his own or adjoining property AFTER LEGAL HOURS.
The MNR has stated many times a simple phone all,who you are,where you trying to retrieve the deer goes a long way.
Also you cannot carry a firearm after legal times,retrieving or not.
I personally might refuse a hunter permission to retrieve a deer on my land as I might not want the LIABILITY under the occupiers liability act. An act that a few posters may be unaware of.
I might also refuse if I believed the hunters might wander onto a neighbours land and they get me in crap with the neighbour.
In summary if I was approached for permission to retrieve a deer I might grant it if some of the above steps were taken and maybe also a indemnification form signed by the hunter.
No the landowner is not obligated.Quote:
Originally Posted by mox72
So Gilroy - then it's better not to ask the owner if you can retrieve the deer - that way the owner has no liability to worry about - just go over and get the deer and drag it to your property - the owner will probably never know what you did and if he's a good neighbor he won't care - no harm done - doesn't make sense - I'm sure everyone on this forum would stop and help a motorist who is hurt and needs medical attention - yet the same people would harass a follow hunter if he goes on their property to retrieve a wounded deer - people have to nicer to each other - do we want a dog eat dog world -