Moose population declining.

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December 15th, 2015, 08:38 AM
rick_iles

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Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter

Thanks for the info.

here is a ?

If the MNR asked the native hunters to stop shooting cows & calf's would you comply?

CO's are not even allowed to ask a FN or Metis Hunter if they have SEEN a moose, let alone shot any !
This revelation was directly from a CO in NW Ontario.
December 15th, 2015, 08:57 AM
pbonura

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

CO's are not even allowed to ask a FN or Metis Hunter if they have SEEN a moose, let alone shot any !
This revelation was directly from a CO in NW Ontario.

I think the point is will they help join in with non native hunters and put restraints on their harvest to help the moose to come back and restore the population. I have been actively reading these threads and the point is all hunters need to sit down and control their harvest. We as regulated hunters have restraints put on us through tags. They just have too restrain themselves. If not the moose herd is doomed.
December 15th, 2015, 10:45 AM
terrym

You can all point fingers at everybody else but unless "everybody" reduces the harvest of cows and calves the herd will continue to decline. We all need to reduce the harvest. Shut down the cow harvest for 5 years and I bet the problem fixes itself. Wildlife should never be managed by political decisions.
December 15th, 2015, 10:47 AM
terrym

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Originally Posted by johnjf

Sad to see there are many people who are racist or blaming the natives. You have your say just as I do. Nice to see non natives stick up for us though. Here on my reserve which is pretty small we pretty much wait to start hunting in late September early October once the weather starts to drop. Mind you it's not the whole reserve going. In total from the stories I hear, since everyone pretty much knows everyone there are about a total of 20-30 people out there hunting and about 10 or less get a moose. Mind you some of us are hunting together. I myself only made it to hunt for moose only two times this year but I'm mainly a deer hunter.

Not to mention we only hunt on RESERVE land. There aren't many deer hunters on my res as well. Most of us are respectful hunters such as myself but like anyone there are those who don't respect the animals or rules and go overboard. Though I haven't heard of anyone shooting 20-30 moose for just themselves, I have never heard anyone shoot that many period. Everyone I know goes out and gets 1 moose "if they can" to feed there family and friends. The ones out hunting for moose usually give up once the rut is over so by the end of October. I only go out and hunt for 1 or 2 deer which in my case is usually just one. That feeds myself and my family and I donate some to our food bank. This year has been a slow year though and I think it's due to the weather. Only know of 4 people who got a moose. I haven't got a deer yet this year but all I'm getting on camera is pics mainly at night. Only got a couple during the day.

Anyway my overall opinion that I wanted to say is... there are more non status hunters out there hunting, there are people out there native and non native who are greedy and break rules who are (poachers) if you want to put a word on it, I know only people on our reserve only hunt on reserve land. Not all natives are out there being greedy. Just like you non native people hearing or reading articles of people poaching and making "hunters" look bad, these natives who are out there being "greedy/poaching" are making us "native hunters" look bad. Don't judge all of us.

A refreshing post that proves we probably shouldn't be too quick to judge. I know I have that bad habit.
December 15th, 2015, 11:39 AM
SK33T3R

The continued onslaught on cows and calves is akin to killing the goose that's laying the golden eggs. WHY???

The MNR should be there for wildlife and resources - PERIOD!!

Every time politics(votes) and revenue streams are attached conditions --- then the house of cards always comes tumbling down.

The first new law enacted should be to separate the MNR from any gov't affiliation and somehow make it -stand alone!

A pipedream for sure but if I gonna dream I might as well dream big!

My grandson just turned 3 ... I sure hope some day I can go on a moose hunt with him!
December 15th, 2015, 01:36 PM
blasted_saber

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Originally Posted by terrym

You can all point fingers at everybody else but unless "everybody" reduces the harvest of cows and calves the herd will continue to decline. We all need to reduce the harvest. Shut down the cow harvest for 5 years and I bet the problem fixes itself. Wildlife should never be managed by political decisions.

Ontario's political "decisions" have no bearing on the moose populations in Manitoba and the northern US states which are also plummeting. Nor does our calf/cow hunt. Theres bigger issues at play here, one im not sure which we can even understand yet.

Im not saying that the way we do things can't be improved upon. Im saying that its beyond the control of one single government organization, because quite obviously this is a multi-national issue.
December 15th, 2015, 08:06 PM
trapper

I noticed no one mentioned all the calves the bears take in the spring.
December 25th, 2015, 02:09 PM
SongDog

They will never shut down the calf hunt in my area....they make too much money from it....gangs of 10-15 guys with only cAlf tags....if they cut out calf tags then the gang won't be heading up for the moose hunt. Government would loose a lot of money.

So everyone continued to slaughter calves ....us included. We shot 3 calf this year and a cow between 12 hunters....moose hunt is the only.income for our camp to pay for taxes and other expenses. No moose hunt.....no hunt camp

I'd rather not even go than shoot a calf .IMO
December 25th, 2015, 05:23 PM
jim

The only thing that I can see, is ticks and defoliation after a cut to kill off birch, willow and poplar, so that spruce can survive. This happens across North america. JMHO
December 25th, 2015, 07:34 PM
Matt86

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Originally Posted by johnjf

Sad to see there are many people who are racist or blaming the natives. You have your say just as I do. Nice to see non natives stick up for us though. Here on my reserve which is pretty small we pretty much wait to start hunting in late September early October once the weather starts to drop. Mind you it's not the whole reserve going. In total from the stories I hear, since everyone pretty much knows everyone there are about a total of 20-30 people out there hunting and about 10 or less get a moose. Mind you some of us are hunting together. I myself only made it to hunt for moose only two times this year but I'm mainly a deer hunter.

Not to mention we only hunt on RESERVE land. There aren't many deer hunters on my res as well. Most of us are respectful hunters such as myself but like anyone there are those who don't respect the animals or rules and go overboard. Though I haven't heard of anyone shooting 20-30 moose for just themselves, I have never heard anyone shoot that many period. Everyone I know goes out and gets 1 moose "if they can" to feed there family and friends. The ones out hunting for moose usually give up once the rut is over so by the end of October. I only go out and hunt for 1 or 2 deer which in my case is usually just one. That feeds myself and my family and I donate some to our food bank. This year has been a slow year though and I think it's due to the weather. Only know of 4 people who got a moose. I haven't got a deer yet this year but all I'm getting on camera is pics mainly at night. Only got a couple during the day.

Anyway my overall opinion that I wanted to say is... there are more non status hunters out there hunting, there are people out there native and non native who are greedy and break rules who are (poachers) if you want to put a word on it, I know only people on our reserve only hunt on reserve land. Not all natives are out there being greedy. Just like you non native people hearing or reading articles of people poaching and making "hunters" look bad, these natives who are out there being "greedy/poaching" are making us "native hunters" look bad. Don't judge all of us.

but you have the freedom to hunt deer or moose horns or not, for meat without paying a cent and with what ever gun or bow you feel like the day you are going.
I have friends in southern Ontario where you can see 60 deer in a field feeding in the evening and they didn't even draw to hunt with a gun, and they don't bow hunt, so 2015 they were not aloud to hunt with a gun at all, We apply every year for a moose tags 50 bucks a year never got a tag, my good buddy that's native and a cousin I have is native they both called a native chief and both got a tag cow or bull what ever they wanted to shoot with bow or gun when ever, i've never got a tag but if I do I get 7 days to hunt.
U say you made it out moose hunting twice, Id love to go moose hunting twice with a bull tag in my pocket every year even if I didn't shoot one. you can gun hunt deer when ever you want, I get 7 days to hunt deer with a gun if I get drawn, and you don't have to buy a 44 dollar deer tag, you write your status number and name on a piece of paper and that's your tag, really you cant compare because if you never got drawn to hunt you just go, we aren't aloud and if caught doing so is a big fine, imagine you couldn't hunt a entire year but if you were native you could, my family realizes on wild meat just as much as a native family dose. imagine you could only have 6 walleye in your freezer at a time,

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