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I wonder the same thing myself. So far I have been very cautious about this, and when I go archery hunting, I only carry archery equipment with me and in the vehicle I use to get to the site. The reason is that the regulations summary to me suggests that this is what is required. I do think it is pretty ridiculous, but it seems to be the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by shikarchi
To get a real answer, you should contact the MNRF. If you get the official answer, please post it here.
Again, you are wrong. If you decide to go bow hunting for deer and the "DEER" rifle or shotgun season is closed, do not have a gun in your vehicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Personally, I don't worry about it and will not change my habits but if I get caught I won't be crying here.
I definitely wouldn't be arguing that it's not a firearm,of course it is,but what I would be arguing,most strenuously in Court,is that it was not available,not in my possession while hunting and encased and securely stored as prescribed in law,therefore taking it completely out of the equation. Why the CO even "warned" you doesn't make a lot of sense. I can speak from personal experience (although it's been many moons) that a Justice or Judge wouldn't be too impressed with such a literal interpretation. A charge laid under this premise would very likely be tossed,outright.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
When the Act says "use or carry", it means exactly that. Physically using or physically carrying. It does not mean having it in your vehicle. I can have any legal firearm in my vehicle, properly stored etc, anywhere and any time. If I'm in the bush deer hunting with a bow, my encased rifle in my truck is certainly not being used or carried while deer hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by seabast
You were given a warning because there is no law that states that you cannot store a firearm in your car while you are hunting with your bow.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
If you are bow hunting for deer then you are in pursuit of a deer with a bow, you are not in your vehicle with a rifle.
If you were to be charged for having a rifle in your car during a deer season that is bow only then every single deer hunter who goes up in the Sunday before the hunt will have to be charged as they all have their rifles in their vehicles as they go to the camp. Heck, anyone who shoots their gun to sight it in must be charged as well, pretty much all of Ontario has an open bow season for deer from Oct 1st through at least the end of November, so every single person who hunts or shoots or even has a gun in their vehicle during a bow only season must be charged.
The CO was warning you to not have it out.
This is like being charged with illegal hunting when you are sitting in a diner with camo or orange on, unless you are hunting you are not hunting.
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Originally Posted by rick_iles
Big game, including black bears, may only be hunted with a firearm (this includes bows).
If you are hunting deer or moose at the same time you are hunting black bears, you may only use or carry (on your person, in a vehicle or boat) a firearm of the type permitted for deer or moose, as the case may be, at that time in that Wildlife Management Unit (WMU).
Specifications on rifles, shotguns, bows, bolts and arrows that are permitted when hunting black bear can be found on page 24.
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The summary paragraph states "bears", but the actual law is "anything".
FWIW, I concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
edit: Given what PV just posted, on the premise of this applying to any animal and not just bear hunting (I've never hunted bear) I may have to reconsider my position, lol. I completely agree on a sensible level with RI. If I'm hunting a long distance from where I'm lodging or maybe sleeping in the truck as my "camp", I'll have my bow for hunting and my shotgun stowed for an optional grouse hunt. I believe there should be changes to this section prescribing the potentially offensive firearm being excepted if encased and trigger locked.
Once again.....it says "use or carry"....on your person or vehicle or boat....dissected, it says, use a gun, or carry it physically or in your truck or boat WHILE hunting for deer, moose or bear....a gun stored in your truck, encased, is neither used or carried !Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
That paragraph simply says, if you are hunting bears and deer and moose at the same time, you have to use or carry a firearm that is legal for moose and deer. It says nothing about storing a gun in your truck...
AIt is illegal to hunt from a vehicle or use a vehicle to hunt, so, if I'm travelling from one place to another, have a gun encased and am not "hunting" from or with my vehicle, having the gun is not illegal. If you wish to say it is, then it would be illegal to have the bow there as well because I'd be using the vehicle to hunt. Rick Iles has it right from what I see.Quote:
cased shotgun in your vehicle is still in a firearm in your vehicle. I don't see how you can argue that having it cased makes it "not a firearm". I received a verbal warning about this once, and I'll go with that. No arguing its a bad law, but it is there.
And....you have to be "hunting for bears"....and either deer or moose at the same time. Remember that what is in the summary is just that...a summary.Quote:
That paragraph simply says, if you are hunting bears and deer and moose at the same time, you have to use or carry a firearm that is legal for moose and deer. It says nothing about storing a gun in your truck...