This whole thing says to me that there will never be wild pheasants in ontario, so do whatever you want with them. The rest of the changes say the mnrf doesn't have to manage or think about small game for the next 100 years.
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This whole thing says to me that there will never be wild pheasants in ontario, so do whatever you want with them. The rest of the changes say the mnrf doesn't have to manage or think about small game for the next 100 years.
This govt will likely put a fee on each bird you shoot...
Just because they will still sell you a township/county license doesn't mean the program still exists, ever heard of government cash grabs???? LOL. I'd love to see some proof the release still exists. Maybe they still do release birds but if they do it is so few and nothing like the thousands of birds they used to release and def not worth buying a license and going after them, I guess unless your in the know of release sites.................Quote:
Originally Posted by dilly
I realize that and that is why I said "if at all possible" . I realize it is government property and they can't have their own regs/fee's, just trying to come up with a solution to the raised limits and maybe if they lobbied for it in these circumstances they would be able to impose a fee or Hullett property 3 bird limit for pheasant hunting so the program can continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
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Originally Posted by duckslayer
Don't quite see your argument. If the government charges a fee you call it a cash grab and against it unless you are in the know yet endorse FOH charging a fee as a positive. Seems a bit contradictory. How I see it the only birds I'd pay to hunt are the ones purchased by me and released by me especially on public land.
Do you ever see anyone's point but your own??? Maybe go read it again..........Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
Not sure what is hard to comprehend............ if they charge a fee and DO release birds......great.....no cash grab!! If they charge a fee and don't release birds its a cash grab...........
Hullett could charge a fee as they DO release birds.....................again not to hard to comprehend for the normal minded.............by the way I would rather see hullett (and places like it) be able to to keep their limit at 3 while the rest of Ont has the raised limits as it's basically a pay to play scenario
I'm all for a pheasant release and buying a county licenses if they still released the birds but they don't (or at least not enough to consider buying a lic) and I would not want to see the limits raised if this was the case but it just is a non issue anymore so I'm fine with the raised limits for the game farm aspect.
Has anyone actually seen the new regulations,or is all this merely conjecture from proposals?
This is exactly the intent of the changes. Remember this goes along with a management strategy that says (a) native species have priority, (b) no reintroductions without hard science, and (c) manage the habitat and the hunters. Now, that's a great strategy if you're going to do population surveys and do the science ... if you aren't going to invest in it, though, it's benign neglect. And for phez, it's "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."Quote:
Originally Posted by Downwind
I would rather see no change at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
As things stand, you can shoot 20 birds at a game farm and have them in your possession. If questioned by a CO, you can show a receipt to prove how you came by those birds. The same rule can easily apply to people who buy and release their own birds on private land.
There is no reason to raise the limit.
The proposed regulations are on the EBR, available for comment until 30 Jan. Unless MNRF's plans change, these will be the new small game regs for this fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
https://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...tusId=MTk4NjY5
http://apps.mnr.gov.on.ca/public/fil...egulations.pdf
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Originally Posted by welsh
I totally agree if that was the case were you could produce proof you released the 10 birds. In reality I guess that is the only issue that really needs addressed.,I should have worded it for the put and take aspect not game farm if that was already the case where you could shoot up to 20 birds and just require proof of purchase.
Like I said I would rather see the bigger release's programs like they had in the past come back, be happy paying for a county lic. and no regulatory changes at all, but they are gone!
Everyone should note that there are two small game related proposals on the EBR right now, open for comment until January 30, 2017:
1) Policy proposal: "A Small Game and Furbearer Management Framework for Ontario" https://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...tusId=MTk4NjY3
2) Regulatory proposal: "Amendments to Ontario Regulation 663/98 (Area Descriptions), Ontario Regulation 665/98 (Hunting), Ontario Regulation 666/98 (Possession, Buying and Selling of Wildlife), and Ontario Regulation 670/98 (Open Seasons) under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997 to streamline and modernize the management of small game and furbearer wildlife species in Ontario" https://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...tusId=MTk4NjY5
While the reg changes have been the focus of much discussion on this and other boards, I would encourage all those interested in small game to also read and comment on the proposed policy framework, as this will have the biggest impact on the future of small game management in Ontario. If the proposed policy framework is adopted, it will guide all future regulatory and management decisions.
Many people in the conservation community have for along time been asking the Province to come up with a strategic policy direction on small game, and we were excited when we heard that the proposed framework was coming. Unfortunately, the proposed document that has been posted on the EBR (https://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...tusId=MTk4NjY3) is quite underwhelming, in my opinion.
Have a look at the proposed proposed policy framework and submit your comments to the Province by January 30. The document covers a broad range of topics which can make responding a bit overwhelming, so my suggestion is comment on what you know and what interests you.
I think they should leave the limits and seasons alone. They should have small game licences like fishing licenses. Have a conservation and sporting license just for limit purposes. If you think your going to harvest 5 snowshoe hare for example or at least want an option too harvest that many then you buy the the corresponding license. If you average two hare everytime out then you might consider the other license. Just my two cents.