Wind farms killing with impunity

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Originally Posted by JBen

Lets ignore for the purposes of this thread all the financial cost that are well documented, and only start with two separate Auditor Generals ripping the Liberals and GEA to shreds.
For those who live under their shadows
For everyone paying absurd rates and deliveries excluding those who live in um Peterborough or anywhere else deemed "high density". Which is asinine given its cities that draw the most.........by far. Maybe if it was cities paying the much higher rates and delivery charges as it should be..........things would be a little different.
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Not sure how bad the situation in Chatham Kent is with respect to well water, but know its bad. PS if its really bad......what will that do to re-sale value........

You should be concerned about this Bonkers given you live within the affected area. The Oak Ridges Morraine might just be one of the single most important environmentally sensitive area's in the entire province! You know what they say about "stuff" rolling downhill, and the Morraine feeds everything!

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...l_hearing.html

http://www.mykawartha.com/news-story...rbine-project/

Oh and have we noticed how many birds and bats they kill?

There are sooooo many reasons to be irate and more, it surprises anyone could even remotely be in favour, or for that matter a "champion"
given so many things.

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I also wonder given Bonker's sarcastic statement about tearing down the turbines and replacing it with nuclear how he feels that now we are four years without coal power production and we rely more heavily on nuclear now than we did when we had coal powered plants.

No doubt the wind turbines and the Liberal management of the electricity file have been a ridiculous circus, but I suspect Bonkers point was that just about every form of energy generation has its costs and impacts. I don't see wind being viable until we develop technology for energy storage on a mass scale.

We've just had 4 turbines installed across the highway, not enough people here seemed motivated to oppose them until they were right in our face and by then its obviously far too late. Pretty hopeless to fight a government that uses YOUR tax dollars against you anyway I suppose.

Rick: what is the link between turbines and ruining water wells ?

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

No doubt the wind turbines and the Liberal management of the electricity file have been a ridiculous circus, but I suspect Bonkers point was that just about every form of energy generation has its costs and impacts. I don't see wind being viable until we develop technology for energy storage on a mass scale.

We've just had 4 turbines installed across the highway, not enough people here seemed motivated to oppose them until they were right in our face and by then its obviously far too late. Pretty hopeless to fight a government that uses YOUR tax dollars against you anyway I suppose.

Rick: what is the link between turbines and ruining water wells ?

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Google water wells first

Ground vibration can cause compaction of the aquifer and/or stir up fine sediment.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

Ground vibration can cause compaction of the aquifer and/or stir up fine sediment.

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Do you believe it ?

I'm not a geoscientist but wouldn't anyone living within a reasonable distance of a rail line have the same issue ?

Not a dirt engineer either but as I understand it the frequency of the vibrations is different than that caused by trains or other sources. Additionally it seems to be more common with turbine bases that are built on pilings as opposed to conventional spread footings. The pilings extend much deeper and seem to transmit the vibrational energy more efficiently. Trains as well do not cause vibrations in the same area for hours and sometimes days on end. The extended period of application prevents the energy from dissipating and it can set up a harmonic response like you sometimes see on windy days with high tension wires. In the case of wires the harmonic builds energy and causes the wires to dance sometimes to the point of failure. Simplified analogy is a kid on a swing being pushed - push them once and they don't move too much and come to rest pretty quickly - push them for an extended period and not only will they move faster and higher but they will reach a steady state of movement that will last as long as you keep pushing.

Video below shows an extreme example of harmonic resonance when a bridge over the Tacoma Narrows failed due to wind energy transfer that was unable to dissipate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw

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Originally Posted by LowbanksArcher

Check out page 15 from the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers. (the engineers of this province that our government ignores)
Titled Why Will Emissions Double as We Add Wind and Solar Plants ?
http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.ospe.on...Elec_Dilem.pdf

As for the farmers, the only farmers around here who've signed the gag orders and sold out their neighbors to big wind own massive amounts of land and have never had trouble making ends meet in the first place.

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I haven't looked at it yet, but here is the newest version of that presentation:
https://www.ospe.on.ca/public/docume...a-Apr-2017.pdf