Numerous casualties in downtown Toronto incident....

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

The ordinary people who helped may need help as well. They may need to speak with a professional especially if the victim they helped didn't make it. Having someone who you are trying to help expire in front of you stays with you for the rest of your life.

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They were interviewing on man that was driving behind the attacker and when he took a drink during the interview you could see how badly he was shaking. His hand and the water were visibly shaking badly! The responders have to deal with incidents like this all the time when there is a fire, a car crash etc. so I would expect they have some support available ... if not they deserve it! Terrible crimes and accidents are part of what they have to deal with and they do amazing. I remember near where I worked in downtown Toronto on University a car hit another and the 2nd went up on the sidewalk crushing a woman, i have heard of similar several times since then. The responders had to deal with those and thousands more since then and no one should take lightly or underestimate the impact that has on their lives!



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We saw a police officer that responded well and had the time to interpret correctly but in other situations they didn't have the time, the light or the chance to do that. In the mean time we have idiots making stupid statements from isolated offices and couches and if the attacker had a gun and the officer didn't..... IF is a scary word sometimes.

(Yesterday's news...)
Firearm-free police? Green Party calls for patrollers to give up guns
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/firearm-...guns-1.3898112



The police officer used his gun appropriately (to control the situation and use as a last resort) since he had the time, optics and training here and should be commended. More training and other tools (stun guns, tasers...) should be available too I think but sometimes it just seems some are incapable of seeing the reality of the real world.

If the police officer didn't know what the guy pulled out of his pocket, it should have shot him. To me this is plain and simple, a policeman is there to protect the public and it won't do much if he gets shot. I really hope he had more than a gut feeling....

Hard to believe it happened at home.

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Originally Posted by seabast

If the police officer didn't know what the guy pulled out of his pocket, it should have shot him. To me this is plain and simple, a policeman is there to protect the public and it won't do much if he gets shot. I really hope he had more than a gut feeling....

Hard to believe it happened at home.

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I disagree. A person should get shot if the police officer doesn't know what he has in his hand. Police aren't judge, jury and executioner in this country. I wouldn't want to live in a country which allows it's officers to have those powers. Police in this country are trained to use as little force as required to handle a situation and I am sure if the situation demanded it, the officer would have stopped this person by lethal force.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

I disagree. A person should get shot if the police officer doesn't know what he has in his hand. Police aren't judge, jury and executioner in this country. I wouldn't want to live in a country which allows it's officers to have those powers. Police in this country are trained to use as little force as required to handle a situation and I am sure if the situation demanded it, the officer would have stopped this person by lethal force.

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Alright, so the police officer has no clue what the guy is about to draw and take one second to figure it out, he gets shot, then you have a murderer walking in the street with a gun.... And for what? The politically correct?

If you play stupid with a police, be ready for the consequences.

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Originally Posted by seabast

Alright, so the police officer has no clue what the guy is about to draw and take one second to figure it out, he gets shot, then you have a murderer walking in the street with a gun.... And for what? The politically correct?

If you play stupid with a police, be ready for the consequences.

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Nope. Not for the politically correct. The simple fact that our police forces are here to protect our citizens and enforce our laws. Some of those laws determine police have limits to using lethal force to deal with situations so they don't abuse that power.

The scenario you are describing didn't happen in the apprehension of the suspect. The officer was covering himself with his car. In a previous post, Manyo, then notes he moves out of the cover. The officer wouldn't have moved out of cover if he hadn't determined the suspect was armed with a firearm. I don't know what the officer used to determine the suspect didn't have a firearm (perhaps the officer noted the shape of the object or how the suspect held the object or some other factor we don't know about yet) but it was his determination that the suspect didn't have a firearm. At that point, he can't use lethal force to subdue the suspect.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

Snowwalker,

The official word yesterday was that there was no national security connection so I am not sure who is reporting that fact but I think they have it wrong and it is probably too soon into the police investigation to draw that conclusion. While I don't doubt that some terrorist group may claim responsibility, I want an official statement by a police force before I believe it.

Dyth

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Yup..like I said. I will have to wait for better confirmation on reason, but they did report it on a Sask radio station.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

There is a video where the suspect is telling the police officer who eventually de-escalated the scene to shoot him (the suspect). This guy wanted to die after what he did. I don't think we oblige him. Let him rot slowly in prison. That will be worse than killing him.

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Leave him is general, and bunk him with bubba...

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Originally Posted by mosquito

The easiest thing most people can do to help has been suggested .... I've done it several times over the years, I missed my local one two weeks ago actually but had already looked up date of the next one. Suggest you drink lots of water or juice before hand, not tight rope walking for a few days (or activities where balance may be an issue due to change in blood volume) and lay back and bleed... the person with the needle has probably done it lots and just a little poke and soon you will likely just be bored for a bit but it will help.

https://blood.ca/en

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A Mosquito telling me to just give up my blood....self serving?:rolleyes:

Can't give right now. Gave last week so have to wait three more weeks. I can give every 35 days if I am at the London Clinic.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Leave him is general, and bunk him with bubba...

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Actually I was thinking in solitary confinement to serve out his sentence. In one of my other posts, I noted that facebook stated he had a post about Incel (Involuntary Celibate). If his motive for this attack was because he was angry at being alone, then I can think of no better form of justice that he is denied the thing he craves the most. However, that is my dark side speaking and I know it probably won't happen.

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Actually I was thinking in solitary confinement to serve out his sentence. In one of my other posts, I noted that facebook stated he had a post about Incel (Involuntary Celibate). If his motive for this attack was because he was angry at being alone, then I can think of no better form of justice that he is denied the thing he craves the most. However, that is my dark side speaking and I know it probably won't happen.

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Well my way he would wish he still was celibate..

I think that would be a better form of Justice.