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Unsubstantiated and, as it happens, incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Also incorrect. True of lawyers, doctors, etc. but not true in many other areas where ethics are understood to apply. The existence of ethics does not rely on an enforcement mechanism: that is like arguing that morality cannot exist without hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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I will fill in the story after he answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Well since you quoted a survey that provides 80% acceptance of Hunters by the general public how about you provide the link so we can read it for ourselves....Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Balderdash !! (Almost) every profession that has a licensing body has strictly defined ramifications for failure to uphold the perceived ethics of the profession. You can lose you license/job over an activity ruled unethical by committee...Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
Morality still exists with no fear of 'hell' with in everyone in the world that doesn't believe in Heaven.....silly analogy.
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Originally Posted by Snowwalker
So you're withholding pertinent details?
Again, your challenge is pointless, because you have not made the case that this scenario is even hunting. If I euthanize an injured animal, that's not hunting. If I dispatch a pest animal, that's not hunting. And your scenario would seem to fit these categories more accurately.
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The question concerns whether ethics exist in the absence of licensing bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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In the absence of licensing bodies,"ethics" seems to have evolved along with society in general. Where society has evolved from is easy. Where society will evolve in future is like pushing a chain. Crystal ball,anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
I am a professional engineer. The last time I read the PEO's code of ethics was when I wrote the exam over two decades ago. Application of ethics can be driven by desire to do good or the right thing. However, there may be times when your choice of what "right" thing to do is not obvious. This is where there should be some mechanism for people to fall back on to assist them in determining what the right choice is. I've just never personally had a situation where the decision was that tough.
Here's an example ... you research something and discover a cure to some disease. Government doesn't approve. Your cure could save 100's if not thousands of children from dying ... but you have not received approval to administrate. Does your duty to the public trump your duty to Government? Code will say follow the laws. But does that really mean it's the right thing to do? That is why I indicate there should be a mechanism to help you understand what the right thing to do is ... the mechanism may rely on the code, but I think the mechanism should also include debate with colleagues to reach consensus on the right approach.
Now, if we want to get philosophical or even theological ... human nature isn't that great ... especially nowadays. The law and the code of ethics is pretty much the minimum you should apply in your life to avoid jail. That isn't a really noble objective is it ... avoid jail? Unfortunately being truly a good person in today's times means operating with principles that are FAR above the law and code of ethics. But none-the-less, it's unfortunate but true, we need to spell out what is right and wrong ... and here's even worse news. As our moral compass becomes more broken, the laws themselves are changed for the worse, so the standard becomes less and less ethical.
Anyhow, just some thoughts.
I have provided the details needed by Badenoch. Everything he has based his augments on is there. The animal can't or does not run away, the hunter walked up and shot it in the head. Now all he has to do is answer the questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
It seems for many of the younger folk, ethics is rooted in how their actions will be perceived on Social Media....and how immediate and brutal violators are dealt with.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Maybe the new yard stick ...the evolution from the old Public Shaming of being put in stocks in front of the town hall :)
So again, you're tacitly admitting here that you're holding something back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
In any case, you still haven't answered the question: is this scenario hunting?
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