Is this normal?

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Once you are at the butchers, tagging and possession of your tag no longer apply.

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Not exactly what the summary in the regulations says:


However, you MUST attach the tag if you
are not immediately accompanying the
animal or immediately available to produce
the tag for inspection. For example, the tag
holder must attach the tag if he/she leave
the harvested animal at any time, including:
• transporting the animal in a vehicle that
is not occupied by the tag holder,
• leaving the animal at camp while the tag
holder goes out party hunting,
• leaving the animal at a butcher for
processing.
The instructions provided with your tag will
specify where you must attach the tag to the
animal. Your tag should be accessible and
visible for inspection purposes even when
the tag is attached to the harvested animal.
The tag must remain on your person, or
attached to the animal (when required),
until the animal is processed and prepared
for long-term storage.

The last sentence being the difference,once your at the butchers the obligation on the hunter is that the tag must still be on the animal until the animal IS PROCESSED and prepared for long term storage.

The CO,s have to be able to record the tags that have been filled out or validated.That is why they want tags on the animals if unattended and hanging at a camp,they will scan those tags the same way as they will scan them at the butchers.If any copying has been done its one way to catch it.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Not exactly what the summary in the regulations says:


However, you MUST attach the tag if you
are not immediately accompanying the
animal or immediately available to produce
the tag for inspection. For example, the tag
holder must attach the tag if he/she leave
the harvested animal at any time, including:
• transporting the animal in a vehicle that
is not occupied by the tag holder,
• leaving the animal at camp while the tag
holder goes out party hunting,
• leaving the animal at a butcher for
processing.
The instructions provided with your tag will
specify where you must attach the tag to the
animal. Your tag should be accessible and
visible for inspection purposes even when
the tag is attached to the harvested animal.
The tag must remain on your person, or
attached to the animal (when required),
until the animal is processed and prepared
for long-term storage.

The last sentence being the difference,once your at the butchers the obligation on the hunter is that the tag must still be on the animal until the animal IS PROCESSED and prepared for long term storage.

The CO,s have to be able to record the tags that have been filled out or validated.That is why they want tags on the animals if unattended and hanging at a camp,they will scan those tags the same way as they will scan them at the butchers.If any copying has been done its one way to catch it.

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Again, it’s the Summary. The actual regulation wording is what counts [COLOR=#000000][COLOR=#505050][COLOR=#000000](2)

Subsection (1) does not apply once the animal has been transported from the site of the kill to the site of processing and is being prepared for long-term storage. O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.

As far as scanning....when the last I spoke to a CO, they don’t have scanners....

We dont normally agree but I think gilroy is right lol. The tag must remain with the animal when the person is not there. When the person leaves camp if he filled his tag it must stay on the property with the animal.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Again, it’s the Summary. The actual regulation wording is what counts.....

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LOL I think I will stick to the summary,leave my tag with the butcher and allow the MNR to record what they want.Is there anything in the regulations that are contrary to what I posted from the summary?

You believe that a hunters obligation ends for tagging and possession of the tag ONCE at the butchers.I am going with the summary and the hunters obligation
continues to have the tag attached until the animal IS PROCESSED and prepared for long term storage.
If it was what you contend how could the CO,s record tag that are filled into a date base for possible enforcement action.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

We dont normally agree but I think gilroy is right lol. The tag must remain with the animal when the person is not there. When the person leaves camp if he filled his tag it must stay on the property with the animal.

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Absolutely, but we are talking about the exemption once at the butchers...

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

the hunters obligation
continues to have the tag attached until the animal IS PROCESSED and prepared for long term storage.

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That would include from camp until you have reached the butcher's the tag used. would need to be with the deer.

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Tag has to be notched immediately some local guys found that out lost deer and gun. 190 fine

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

LOL I think I will stick to the summary,leave my tag with the butcher and allow the MNR to record what they want.Is there anything in the regulations that are contrary to what I posted from the summary?

You believe that a hunters obligation ends for tagging and possession of the tag ONCE at the butchers.I am going with the summary and the hunters obligation
continues to have the tag attached until the animal IS PROCESSED and prepared for long term storage.
If it was what you contend how could the CO,s record tag that are filled into a date base for possible enforcement action.

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Simple, they don’t, unless they are conducting an investigation. Our guy up north says he never sees a CO, unless they bring a seized moose in for cutting.
That’s the reason the butcher here takes our outdoors card number and name. Any question of legal possession can be followed up through the card number. It would tell them if you had a doe or buck tag etc...
I err on the side of caution as well. I left the head on, properly tagged but skinned.
The butcher says they don’t need the tag.....just the info I already mentioned .???

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Again, it’s the Summary. The actual regulation wording is what counts [COLOR=#000000][COLOR=#505050][COLOR=#000000](2)

Subsection (1) does not apply once the animal has been transported from the site of the kill to the site of processing and is being prepared for long-term storage. O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.

As far as scanning....when the last I spoke to a CO, they don’t have scanners....

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If its being prepared for long term storage it already has been butchered and the tag has been taken off.To suggest that implies the tag did not have to be on it prior is not correct,refer to the plain and simple wording in the summary.Any butcher had better have a tag handy to show for all and any deer he has hanging in his freezer,plain and simple.

When I last spoke to a CO this fall to be precise they do have scanners to record the info on the tags,store it and if a tag is re used or copied they can catch it.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Absolutely, but we are talking about the exemption once at the butchers...

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Once there its being done. I would think it would depend on the butcher if he wanted the tag left or not . Once he has all your information that's all he needs. So I would guess the guys wanting to see the tags are only protecting there own arses.

Maybe keeping an extra eye out for the ministry.



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