30-30 vs 308 vs 30-06 - Cast Iron Skillets

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Lol sure

Rem 76/760/7600 carbine in heavy doggin 35 Rem or Whelen or heck an 06 would be ok with heaviest pill available
Lowly smooth bore/rifled short barrel slugger pump or semi in 20 or 12 will do a pile better in the nasty crap
Marlin short barrel 45-70 or 44 mag will do better.
Werner mentioned 44 Ruger semi - I just started loading for this round and I am impressed. It’s no long distance cartridge but in the 77/44 bolt I’m working with is more accurate than any Winny I’ve shot. Factory AE pistol rounds pushing 1850 plus on the chrony with a 240 XTP pill is hard to beat. I expect to get that closer to 2000 fps with some work.

30-30 levers work just fine and they kill deer just fine.

When I was younger I wanted to own one. Well I did that and had a pile since. 30-30 Win then same in a trapper and so on. I set out just a couple years ago to find an accurate load for another I had bought but as soon as I started I realized it was going to be the same as every other I’ve owned. 3 or 4 MOA at 100 just doesn’t work for me in the accuracy department.

Just don’t like them and haven’t seen one I’d really trust past a hundred yards. The Winchester’s feel like a club in my hands and the 30-30 as a cartridge is adequate but less than stellar from my perspective.

As for choosing it as a round for moose at 150 that is a surprise to see you think that is a good choice. Although they do have a 16 inch kill zone so that would help you some maybe. To pick that gun up over the 308 you own for moose doesn’t make much sense to me though.

To each their own and if it works for you great.

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I didn’t own a 308 when I hunted moose. I had a 3030. It worked just fine. Never hunted moose here in Ontario. They may be skiddish like deer and you need a rifle that can reach out far and grab them. Moose in NF are not this way. They are everywhere. In the towns, in my backyard walking up and down the streets in the town. A long distance rifle was not needed. I used what we had. They never up and ran away when you approached them. This remind me of a time I went out opening day. Didn’t see one in the cut overs. Left and came home. There was one in the backyard when I got home. I picked a bunch of long grass, walked up and feed it.


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Originally Posted by Goosesniper

There was one in the backyard when I got home. I picked a bunch of long grass, walked up and feed it.

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Reminds me of that clip on the news the first season of Elk hunting here. Camera was talking to a hunter and over his shoulder was a Bull nibbling on a tree branch in his yard. He said he couldn't see the sport in that HaHa...

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Originally Posted by Goosesniper

I didn’t own a 308 when I hunted moose. I had a 3030. It worked just fine. Never hunted moose here in Ontario. They may be skiddish like deer and you need a rifle that can reach out far and grab them. Moose in NF are not this way. They are everywhere. In the towns, in my backyard walking up and down the streets in the town. A long distance rifle was not needed. I used what we had. They never up and ran away when you approached them. This remind me of a time I went out opening day. Didn’t see one in the cut overs. Left and came home. There was one in the backyard when I got home. I picked a bunch of long grass, walked up and feed it.


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Lol you got to be kidding! Wow that would be an experience.

Definitely different out there. I’ve almost hit my fair share of those buggers while working that way.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Lol you got to be kidding! Wow that would be an experience.

Definitely different out there. I’ve almost hit my fair share of those buggers while working that way.

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People go a lifetime up here without seeing one. I was home for 10 days this past summer. Saw 3 my first two days there. 1 calf was dead on the road. Accident. The other two just crossed the road on my way to the cabin. Could have walked up and touched them. No kidding here. Once skidding I saw over a hundred in a field. My. Black lab was running up to them and they tried kicking him. There is a photo by a prominent photographer named Charlie Falk. He has a photo of moose. You can’t count them all in the picture.


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Found this track out back near my turkey blind, one spring. Thought it might be the neighbours cow, then about 2 weeks later my daughter pulled in our laneway and there was a moose standing there. She got a phone video of it.

https://i.imgur.com/unSxRbol.jpg

Then a month or so later the news paper got this photo of a moose in a soy field about 3 miles from here (probably same one) ....less then 2 mile from our Hunt Camp.

This is about 1hr south of Ottawa.

https://i.imgur.com/ydm9hvgl.jpg

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

No Fox you take that back lol!

I like 270, it is easy to load for and lots of great bullet choices. I can’t think of one that hasn’t given me a 1/2 inch group or two at 100 with a bit of load development.

It’s all personal preference though.

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It is pretty much one guy who ruined the cartridge for me, it was his God and anything else (maybe he would accept the 30-06) was garbage. The big thing for me though is that for deer at close range it has too much velocity and tends to cause a lot of unnecessary trauma, it is a longer range rifle than the Eastern Ontario bush would allow, at 3100fps impact velocity it would turn a lot more than the vitals to jelly. I never used one, saw a lot of deer shot with them and the 30-06, the 130gr 270 was messy, the 180gr 30-06 was better, the 150 and 170gr 30-30 was better still and shotgun slugs, full bore, were the best when it came to excess damage but still a very dead deer. Funny enough the guys shooting the 270, probably more a fault of their own, were the longer tracking jobs, poor shot placement and shooting through brush did have an impact on that.

It is personal preference, your smoke poles, a patched round ball, any shotgun slug, buckshot, any centerfire rifle, they all have a valid range for hunting deer, they have pros and cons and will lead to hundreds of years of arguments online and at the hunt camp.

I like slower bullets, 2500fps does not seem to do as much extra damage, the 180gr Winchester Power Point 303 Brit 2 years ago went through the deer quartering away, bullet lodged in the front knee, 153gr remaining and no excess meat damage, although the patched round ball this year broadside killed that deer just as dead as the 303 Brit the previous year.

i have to agree there nothing wrong with a 3030, carried one for years, then switched to the 44mag ruger carbine for heavy cover. i also will use if open bush my 3006 carbine. once i get out in the open switch up to the 270. but i still have this passion for the 3030 and will never lose that.

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It is pretty much one guy who ruined the cartridge for me, it was his God and anything else (maybe he would accept the 30-06) was garbage. The big thing for me though is that for deer at close range it has too much velocity and tends to cause a lot of unnecessary trauma, it is a longer range rifle than the Eastern Ontario bush would allow, at 3100fps impact velocity it would turn a lot more than the vitals to jelly. I never used one, saw a lot of deer shot with them and the 30-06, the 130gr 270 was messy, the 180gr 30-06 was better, the 150 and 170gr 30-30 was better still and shotgun slugs, full bore, were the best when it came to excess damage but still a very dead deer. Funny enough the guys shooting the 270, probably more a fault of their own, were the longer tracking jobs, poor shot placement and shooting through brush did have an impact on that.

It is personal preference, your smoke poles, a patched round ball, any shotgun slug, buckshot, any centerfire rifle, they all have a valid range for hunting deer, they have pros and cons and will lead to hundreds of years of arguments online and at the hunt camp.

I like slower bullets, 2500fps does not seem to do as much extra damage, the 180gr Winchester Power Point 303 Brit 2 years ago went through the deer quartering away, bullet lodged in the front knee, 153gr remaining and no excess meat damage, although the patched round ball this year broadside killed that deer just as dead as the 303 Brit the previous year.

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A lot of the .270's popularity today can be traced back to Jack O'Connor - a western US hunter/writer.
He liked it (over the .30-06) because it shot a bit flatter, reducing the accuracy required in range estimation (before range finders were around).
But he did a lot of horseback elk hunting where shooting long distances across valleys was the norm.

… I hope that Jack's not the guy that ruined the .270 for you.

With todays bullet construction a .270 is an excellent all round calibre

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

A lot of the .270's popularity today can be traced back to Jack O'Connor - a western US hunter/writer.
He liked it (over the .30-06) because it shot a bit flatter, reducing the accuracy required in range estimation (before range finders were around).
But he did a lot of horseback elk hunting where shooting long distances across valleys was the norm.

… I hope that Jack's not the guy that ruined the .270 for you.

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Good Ole "Jack O'Connor " great hunter, shot, writer and teacher.
Along with his favourite .270 , he did shoot other calibers and his wife shot a 7x 57 on many hunts, he and she also sot the .257 for it's flat shooting abilities .