What is the best ATV for Deer Hunting

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Originally Posted by JeffBondar

Very good boat mechanic I know has shown me the effects of running high octane gas (91) in boat motors and the destruction it can do. 87 octane, regardless of brand, is good for all the warm months. When storing engines just add an additive like a stabilizer and there won't be any issues.

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I really question your boat mechanic Jeff or how he came to this conclusion since all marine gas sold at marinas on the water are ethanol free reason being that ethanol draws moisture . It would be nice to get 87 ethanol free but it's a hard find and 91 ethanol free is better than 87 with ethanol . I run ethanol free 91 in all my small engines and Yamaha is where it's at for ATV's . Mines carbed and even at 40 below she fires right away . Everything gets seafoam , even the truck when I'm feeling nice . The only real advantage to EFI to carb is when running in mountains and such because a carbed machine needs rejetting .

TD

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

I really question your boat mechanic Jeff or how he came to this conclusion since all marine gas sold at marinas on the water are ethanol free reason being that ethanol draws moisture . It would be nice to get 87 ethanol free but it's a hard find and 91 ethanol free is better than 87 with ethanol . I run ethanol free 91 in all my small engines and Yamaha is where it's at for ATV's . Mines carbed and even at 40 below she fires right away . Everything gets seafoam , even the truck when I'm feeling nice . The only real advantage to EFI to carb is when running in mountains and such because a carbed machine needs rejetting .

TD

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I don't question him at all, he is one of the best around, lives in Georgetown and many guys on here know who I'm talking about. He physically showed me what the higher octane gas can do and explained it to me so the proof is right there. If you are putting seafoam in with your gas then you are wasting your money on 91 octane because it is doing nothing for you and the seafoam is taking care of the ethanol and gas breaking down issue.

If you do a bit of research you can save yourself some money.

Regarding ATV's, I have a 2012 A/C 700 and drove it around all winter. With this being one of our coldest winters and I only put 87 octane in it I don't see how higher octane makes any difference.

Higher octane does not translate into more power as we may have believe when we were younger....

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Originally Posted by JeffBondar

I don't question him at all, he is one of the best around, lives in Georgetown and many guys on here know who I'm talking about. He physically showed me what the higher octane gas can do and explained it to me so the proof is right there. If you are putting seafoam in with your gas then you are wasting your money on 91 octane because it is doing nothing for you and the seafoam is taking care of the ethanol and gas breaking down issue.

If you do a bit of research you can save yourself some money.

Regarding ATV's, I have a 2012 A/C 700 and drove it around all winter. With this being one of our coldest winters and I only put 87 octane in it I don't see how higher octane makes any difference.

Higher octane does not translate into more power as we may have believe when we were younger....

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Not a waste at all to still use seafoam even in non ethanol fuels Jeff since it does way more than just stabilize . It's also a cleaner etc . Research it . As far as your mechanic he is but one in a million and many many will disagree with him . How does he know what fuel was being used since even some 91 fuel is ethanol also just depends on the company ? . Absolutely 91 does not give you more power nor did I suggest this . Try and do some googling and on you tube to show you exactly the damage caused by fuels with ethanol . Many of them are marine mechanics . I don't use 91 often in my truck but then again I burn through tanks steady .

Ethanol is a far worse enemy than a few octanes .
TD

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

Not a waste at all to still use seafoam even in non ethanol fuels Jeff since it does way more than just stabilize . It's also a cleaner etc . Research it . As far as your mechanic he is but one in a million and many many will disagree with him . How does he know what fuel was being used since even some 91 fuel is ethanol also just depends on the company ? . Absolutely 91 does not give you more power nor did I suggest this . Try and do some googling and on you tube to show you exactly the damage caused by fuels with ethanol . Many of them are marine mechanics . I don't use 91 often in my truck but then again I burn through tanks steady .

TD

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Agreed, and Sea Foam is also a stabilizer meaning it keeps the gas safely stored for up to 2 years, I believe Sea Foam claims. Just because gas doesn't have ethanol (V Power) doesn't mean it doesn't go bad. I'm pretty sure gas with ethanol just goes bad, but faster than clean gas, without adding stabilizer.

edit- oops, you already said that TD...LOL

For the few extra bucks I use V Power as well, in everything, including my truck (have a programmer to help utilize the extra octane) and for me it's just peace of mind. I started up the Cat yesterday just to giver a run , which I usually do once every few weeks in the winter. I've been running it on V Power since new.

As for broken belts, Cats use the CVT setup like the Yamaha Grizzly uses, and they're both work horses that are not known for breaking belts like the Polaris or Can Ams are. I've worked mine plenty, including towing with it and with 4500 hard km's the belt is still like new. Always use an OEM belt if replacing it though. Otherwise it just may break.

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

Not a waste at all to still use seafoam even in non ethanol fuels Jeff since it does way more than just stabilize . It's also a cleaner etc . Research it . As far as your mechanic he is but one in a million and many many will disagree with him . How does he know what fuel was being used since even some 91 fuel is ethanol also just depends on the company ? . Absolutely 91 does not give you more power nor did I suggest this . Try and do some googling and on you tube to show you exactly the damage caused by fuels with ethanol . Many of them are marine mechanics . I don't use 91 often in my truck but then again I burn through tanks steady .

Ethanol is a far worse enemy than a few octanes .
TD

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I'm not going to start with you, if you actually read what I wrote I said that if you use seafoam you're wasting your money on 91 octane. I've done my research and am very familiar with seafoam and octane levels as well has what higher octane gas can do to 2 stroke engines that were designed to run on 87.

If you're engine does not require high octane then don't use it, there is no benefit. Again, seafoam will take care of the ethanol issues in relation to water and storage of gasoline.

Regarding the mechanic, he knows way more then you or I, he is an expert. When I'm shown hard evidence plus a very good explanation of the evidence what else is there.....

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Originally Posted by JeffBondar

I wrote I said that if you use seafoam you're wasting your money on 91 octane.

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Jeff, are you saying 91 octane gas doesn't go skunky over time?

Also, for Cat owners, the fuel gauge has always been a problem for those using regular gas. Ethanol causes a build up on the sensor and the fuel gauge gives a false reading. Using seafoam or startron helps remedy this, but using v-power helps keeps things even cleaner.

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Jeff, are you saying 91 octane gas doesn't go skunky over time?

Also, for Cat owners, the fuel gauge has always been a problem for those using regular gas. Ethanol causes a build up on the sensor and the fuel gauge gives a false reading. Using seafoam or startron helps remedy this, but using v-power helps keeps things even cleaner.

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All gas goes skunky over time

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Originally Posted by JeffBondar

I'm not going to start with you, if you actually read what I wrote I said that if you use seafoam you're wasting your money on 91 octane. I've done my research and am very familiar with seafoam and octane levels as well has what higher octane gas can do to 2 stroke engines that were designed to run on 87.

If you're engine does not require high octane then don't use it, there is no benefit. Again, seafoam will take care of the ethanol issues in relation to water and storage of gasoline.
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But you are starting something when you make a claim that Seafoam has no benefit at all if your running 91 octane . That just is not true Jeff . Read the bottle . It's fine print but it tells you all . I'm not wasting my money just to say I can .

Even 91 non ethanol has a shelf life and best to stabilize it . It's not just ethanol fuel that breaks down . 91 Shell V Power is non ethanol . Anything with ethanol is known to affect lines , rubbers , seals etc in marine engines and others . I think you should maybe ask your mechanic again because its well documented industry wide that fuels with ethanol like 87 octane here are harmful . If 87 octane here was non ethanol then it would be the fuel to use for many things because it fires faster . 87 octane here in vast majority of stations has ethanol . That's the point .

TD

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

But you are starting something when you make a claim that Seafoam has no benefit at all if your running 91 octane . That just is not true Jeff .
TD

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You keep going back to this yet I have not once said that anywhere. Again..... nice and slow.......you are wasting your money on 91 octane gas if you're engine does not call for it.

I use seafoam on every machine I own that has an engine, I love seafoam and it has many amazing qualities and properties, we can both agree on that. You are somehow getting my words mixed up....

Seafoam = good
high octane = wasted money if not required by the engine manufacturer
Hence, what I've said, you're wasting your money on 91 octane. You use seafoam, it acts as a stabilizer, a cleaner, ect ect ect therefore no need for 91 octane.

Ethanol is North America wide and as you stated in the majority if not all 87 octane gas. Manufactures know this, ethanol is not new, and unless your manual tells you not to use it then it is safe for your engine, it's that easy

Nice and slow just so you read your own post Jeff. Your post .. [QUOTE=JeffBondar;769118] If you are putting seafoam in with your gas then you are wasting your money on 91 octane because it is doing nothing for you and the seafoam is taking care of the ethanol and gas breaking down issue.

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Looks to me like you think putting seafoam in with 91 octane is a waste of money . I use 91 shell v power always because it is the only non ethanol I can find . And add seafoam to it so it is stabilized for longer periods .

Regardless though . The seafoam does not take the ethanol out of 87 octane gas . The ethanol stays and ethanol doesn't just cause damage when it separates . It eats things just by being used .. It likes to sit at the bottom of your tank . You call your mechanic and ask him if 87 octane with ethanol is better than 91 octane without ethanol . He would be the only marine mechanic in North Armerica that would say 87 with ethanol is better than 91 without . That or he likes you all bringing in your boat motors and for the cha=ching . Explain to me why since you are in disbelief . That all marinas have non ethanol fuel . I would run 87 although my manual or the carb/air filter cover say 87 or 91 . But I nor you can get non ethanol 87 octane fuel at the majority of pumps . Not even all 91 pumps are ethanol free . Read the pumps .


As far as the $2.00 more it costs me to run my bike 150 kms that's minor compared to the $90 per hr I will have to pay when it needs to go to the fixer . Your woes will come if you continue running 87 ethanol . Don't believe me,that's your choice but your second hand advice is incorrect . I'm done with this .

TD