More good news on the "state" of Ontario

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

You can find them on line if you want to. You trust no reports that do not reinforce your preconceived notions. Why has nobody mentioned Mulroney getting envelops filled with money, from foreign lobbyists in hotel rooms..... pray tell.... Ya that was the 'old' con. party. Nothing to see there move on.

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.... and that has to do with what in this conversation?

Let's keep it simple and in recent history, I can easily just go to the Senate that was so bad Trudope threw them all out:

Marc Harb (over $200,000),
Raymond Lavign,Rod Zimmer and his $170,000+
Rose-Marie Losier-Cool and her $110,00,
Gas Plants $1,000,000,000+
Liberals erasing emails with hard drives using outside staff,
byelection fraud charges laid
Benjamin Levin (child and counseling how to commit abuse and get away with it)
apparently the Liberals never paid back the adscam ($10,000,000)
ORNG
Windsor Parkway project ($1,400,000,000 that may be unsafe)
PANAM games statements of costs not including alot of projects.
Giant bonuses for PANAM execs
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Oh... and of course Gagnier just in the last 2 weeks.
and I can go on and on and on and the number of lies Trudeau told during the election would keep me busy on things like cuts when there were actually increases, C-42 etc. etc.


and to not leave out the NDP invalid mailings and satellite offices ($4,000,000)


The typical Liberal response, talk about facts they don't like and they get confused and want to change the subject...

Typical, mosquito !! Hypocrisy, facts and logic are three words not easily understood by some!! Unless of course it furthers their jaded, short sighted, tunnel vision ideals. These words only work one way, they are not to be reciprocated.

You could all go on and on. And probably will. And will see "your" side as the good guys and the "others" as pure evil and stupid. I don't expect that anyone here will convince another to change their views. This entire subforum has been anything but a debate and a chance for the vocal conservative minority to berate anyone not in their camp.
Unless you aren't a true Conservative you probably haven't seen that. As someone with a political science degree and as someone who hasn't a party, (OMG- I'm one of those that looks at current issues, policy, leadership qualities ... and then chooses) this political forum hasn't been worth the energy to comment on. Purely childish my way right or wrong for the duration and way more mud slinging than the parties engaged in.
A shame because a decent political debate would have been fun

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Originally Posted by C.A. in TO

You could all go on and on. And probably will. And will see "your" side as the good guys and the "others" as pure evil and stupid. I don't expect that anyone here will convince another to change their views. This entire subforum has been anything but a debate and a chance for the vocal conservative minority to berate anyone not in their camp.
Unless you aren't a true Conservative you probably haven't seen that. As someone with a political science degree and as someone who hasn't a party, (OMG- I'm one of those that looks at current issues, policy, leadership qualities ... and then chooses) this political forum hasn't been worth the energy to comment on. Purely childish my way right or wrong for the duration and way more mud slinging than the parties engaged in.
A shame because a decent political debate would have been fun

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And who made you GOD, all of a sudden??? I can only take from your comments that you are far superior and more intelligent than most of us on this forum. Why don't you take your DEGREE and wipe your a-- with it. I'm sick and tired of self proclaimed professionals and political pundits that know everything about anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong!! I get the feeling all of the posts relating to this topic are beneath your superior intelligence!!

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Originally Posted by bushman

And who made you GOD, all of a sudden??? I can only take from your comments that you are far superior and more intelligent than most of us on this forum. Why don't you take your DEGREE and wipe your a-- with it. I'm sick and tired of self proclaimed professionals and political pundits that know everything about anything. Please correct me if I'm wrong!! I get the feeling all of the posts relating to this topic are beneath your superior intelligence!!

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Ignore him, I have ran into those educated to the point of imbecility more than I can recount. There were countless points on issues, concerns and various topics and puffed shirts like him aren't worth the effort to argue with. Like several of the others on here there is no discussion with them all you can do is point out they are wrong and hope they pull their heads out of the sand to see the real world but they usually push their head deeper. With a political science degree it isn't worth anything in the working world and you can count on spin, rhetoric and twisting usually but no common sense, only enough logic to win a debate not be right and all the moral certainty of jello two seconds after you put in the boiling water. By arguing you are just pumping his pride, ignore him.

As I said -- no debate. And other opinions that don't make you feel good about yourselves are deemed stupid. You won't need to ignore me. I won't be back to this discussion. Too d@mned rude and ignorant.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

You can find them on line if you want to. You trust no reports that do not reinforce your preconceived notions. Why has nobody mentioned Mulroney getting envelops filled with money, from foreign lobbyists in hotel rooms..... pray tell.... Ya that was the 'old' con. party. Nothing to see there move on.

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Well for starters Mulroney isn't the sitting Premierre?

Odd CA
On one hand, you profess your qualifications and deride people for being capable of actual debate and all they do is belabour anyone. On the other hand all you did, was come in and attack insult people. You didn't offer any rebuttals, or logic or…Mind you I will say right now, would be hard to figure out what is being discussed other than the sheer amount of ineptitude and corruption.

Maybe you would like to debate their energy, Hydro policies and performance?

Did you fail that coarse you profess to have a degree and be superior in?
Pot meet kettle imo
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That said yes at times it can go too far be a bit much. I rarely see valid points being brought up in rebuttal, quite the opposite. The only person that ever tried and I do miss him is ITD.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j1...psbcgrvx9q.jpg

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Originally Posted by C.A. in TO

As I said -- no debate. And other opinions that don't make you feel good about yourselves are deemed stupid. You won't need to ignore me. I won't be back to this discussion. Too d@mned rude and ignorant.

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HuH Huh... ya all is funny.... when's ya all pull your arrow gant head outa yer arse take a look, there's bean alut uh disc cushion on duh topic, de criminul poli tick shans and der waste und poor spendun. Leah all just too lazy ta look and to darn rude to be worth debatin

Once ye geet past yer edu ME cation and do sumtin in de real world like runnin a buziness or real work requiring yer brain come back, otter wise ya ain't notin but anuder leach suckin on the leach running some political party dat makes comments like small businesses are just fer hiding taxes (Justin has atleast 3 companies for that) and budgets balance demselves.