What Socialized Health Care Can Lead To -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

If i knew where he lived I would send him a Trumpy Bear so he can hang it over his bed

What did you guys think about the differences in prices in Canada vs the U.S - I always knew that they were higher but not that much - kinda strange that an item made in Canada costs more in Canada than in the States - and the difference in car prices is something else - didn't know that dealers in the States can't sell cars to Canadians because manufactures won't let them

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My understanding was that Canadians/Americans can buy vehicles in either country and transfer them to the other. The only power the manufacturers have (and they use it) was that any warranty work must be done by a dealer in the country the car was bought in. GM Canada won't come good for warranty work on a car sold in the US.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

My understanding was that Canadians/Americans can buy vehicles in either country and transfer them to the other. The only power the manufacturers have (and they use it) was that any warranty work must be done by a dealer in the country the car was bought in. GM Canada won't come good for warranty work on a car sold in the US.

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There are Canadian restrictions on importation as well, they have to meet the safety specifications for that model year unless they are a certain age, this is why you never saw Nissan Skylines until they were old cars.

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Were they new vehicles - the video that I posted says that dealers can't sell new vehicles to Canadians with the exception of Ford dealers who will sell to them only if they pay fully up front - did you watch the video

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Brand spanking new, one a Chev. truck bought in Alabama, the other in Florida, Dodge truck, last fall and in Dec. of last year.
Video, Shmideo, I am telling you what actually took place.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

A medical reason such as ectopic pregnancy is a reason to terminate a pregnancy. A right to life of a fetus doesn't include harming it's mother or potentially causing her death.

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It does when the men decide it does, did you see the picture of the Women's health care? Nothing better than a bunch of men to decide the health coverage women should have.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rea...1d405d9d09b8bc

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Originally Posted by Fox

It does when the men decide it does, did you see the picture of the Women's health care? Nothing better than a bunch of men to decide the health coverage women should have.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rea...1d405d9d09b8bc

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Fox,

I think you misunderstood my post. JoePa couldn't think of any reason to abort a pregnancy. I gave him one. I think what a woman decides to do with her body is her own business. However, on the same page, I don't think abortion should be used as a means of birth control (I know of a few girls in high school who should have paid more attention in health class and shouldn't have relied on their boyfriends so much) but that is my opinion and it is only my opinion.

The problem, as I see it, with the entire pro-life movement is they believe in utero life has a right to be carried to term. There is nothing in nature to guarantee this right. A lot of babies are lost in the first trimester of a woman's pregnancy for a variety of reasons. Humans in our society don't get a lot of their rights by law until they are a bit more established in society (voting at the age of 18). Humans don't have a god given right to exist. To think otherwise is extremely arrogant.

A fact that seems to not have been noticed by both sides of the debate, is that even in a modern clinical setting women do die well having an abortion. Just like women can die from a miscarriage.

Worked with a guy in the Oil patch. Just got into it, wife loved the money, but not the fact he was out of contact some times for a week. Cell coverage was is not good in the Bush up north. As you can guess Divorce came along. Well filing she found out she pregnant. Her mother bullied her( never liked the husband anyways) to an abortion. The husbands family begged her to have it and offered money and visiting rights any thing she wanted. No mom bullied her and she went in at 7 AM on a Tuesday. They started the procedure at 815, by 833 she was legally dead. Massive internal hemorrhage and she bled out is 4 minutes. They were still married as the Divorce was not final, and his family their lawyers went on a campaign of pure revenge. They had tried for six or eight years to have a baby.

It's not just the fetus and the mother's life at risk. It wrecked two families. Can you imagine a mother losing her daughter, and then never being able to attend the funeral or ever visit the grave because of restraining orders.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Brand spanking new, one a Chev. truck bought in Alabama, the other in Florida, Dodge truck, last fall and in Dec. of last year.
Video, Shmideo, I am telling you what actually took place.

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Well I guess that market watch guy on the video is putting out inaccurate information - and some of the salesmen he talked to don't know what is going on - can't argue with what you posted

Mac - I don't know where you are coming from but I will tell you this - so far Trump has been the best president we have had in a very long time - maybe you can enlighten me and tell me what he has done wrong - he is on the road to be elected again I'm sure -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Mac - I don't know where you are coming from but I will tell you this - so far Trump has been the best president we have had in a very long time - maybe you can enlighten me and tell me what he has done wrong - he is on the road to be elected again I'm sure -

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I will save max the typing. MAC thinks he should be jailed just because he is trump and had the "Bad Manners " to win the Election.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

Fox,

I think you misunderstood my post. JoePa couldn't think of any reason to abort a pregnancy. I gave him one. I think what a woman decides to do with her body is her own business. However, on the same page, I don't think abortion should be used as a means of birth control (I know of a few girls in high school who should have paid more attention in health class and shouldn't have relied on their boyfriends so much) but that is my opinion and it is only my opinion.

The problem, as I see it, with the entire pro-life movement is they believe in utero life has a right to be carried to term. There is nothing in nature to guarantee this right. A lot of babies are lost in the first trimester of a woman's pregnancy for a variety of reasons. Humans in our society don't get a lot of their rights by law until they are a bit more established in society (voting at the age of 18). Humans don't have a god given right to exist. To think otherwise is extremely arrogant.

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I agree with everything you wrote here, my post to yours was simply to show how screwed up things are when a bunch of rich white men decide the health care rights on women in a "developed" nation.

There are quite a few reasons to keep a baby, quite a few to give a baby up for adoption and quite a few to terminate a pregnancy and I truly believe that if you are not in any of those 3 situations (the father included) then you really have no right to say anything about it. Unless you are the parent debating bringing a baby to term with a high potential for Downs/spina bifida (same test), a parent who has a life threatening condition or the options when getting pregnant way too young you should keep your opinions to yourself.

Both of my grandmothers almost died due to complications during pregnancy, my one grandma was told by a priest that she was a sinner who would go to hell if she listened to the doctor and went on the pill, that priest almost killed her and orphaned 4 kids, if she were on birth control and it did not work and had an abortion I would say it was 100% justified in her case.