Coyote Poacher Kills Dog - Chatham Area

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Originally Posted by gibb

Dogs can't read and or respect property lines, I love dogs but come on let's be realistic here, letting your dog roam loose is asking for trouble. There is lots of blame to go around here but some of it is self inflicted by not have control of the dog. I live out in the country but my dog is always tied off, if and when I walk him off leash I always have it's leash in hand ready to control the dog.

Had this dog been on a leash this would never have happened.

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The dog was under control....on its own property !!!!! If this asshat hadn’t been trespassing and not identifying his target, it would not have happened..,,,the owner does not share any blame here !!!!

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

The azzhole knowingly was trespassing and discharging a firearm on private property. Some people have a problem with a dog roaming free on its own property, why? Nothing at all wrong with allowing your dog to roam free on your own property what so ever. Also to take the dog and hide it from owners is a very disgusting act. I only hope they are found and charged.

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I know where you are going but there are many reasons why it is wrong to let a dog roam free, even on your own property.

You must remain in control of that animal, it is your responsibility. I know that most farmers who have a dog roaming have control of that dog and that dog sticks around the farm but I also know of situations where dogs run all over humanity chasing everything that is there, including rabbits, turkeys, grouse, deer, which makes it very much illegal and in many cases grounds for being destroyed.

Like I said, I know where you were going with this but the blanket statement is untrue.

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Originally Posted by gibb

Dogs can't read and or respect property lines, I love dogs but come on let's be realistic here, letting your dog roam loose is asking for trouble. There is lots of blame to go around here but some of it is self inflicted by not have control of the dog. I live out in the country but my dog is always tied off, if and when I walk him off leash I always have it's leash in hand ready to control the dog.

Had this dog been on a leash this would never have happened.

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The dog was minding it's own business on its own property, since when can someone or his animals not use and enjoy their own land? Stick with the facts, the dog was shot on its own land and taken and dumped to never be found. The idiot who shot the dog is to blame and nobody else.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I know where you are going but there are many reasons why it is wrong to let a dog roam free, even on your own property.

You must remain in control of that animal, it is your responsibility. I know that most farmers who have a dog roaming have control of that dog and that dog sticks around the farm but I also know of situations where dogs run all over humanity chasing everything that is there, including rabbits, turkeys, grouse, deer, which makes it very much illegal and in many cases grounds for being destroyed.

Like I said, I know where you were going with this but the blanket statement is untrue.

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Blanket statements will always get you in trouble.
How can you say 'in many cases grounds for being destroyed'? The grounds for shooting a dog are very specific and in such instances even the legal agent is required to prove a level of intervention prior to such an act. There are numerous court cases which have ruled against the person doing the shooting as an example.
The definition of being 'in control' especially for a farmer with areas of fencing is very flexible and you will not be able to pin any responsibility back on that farmer for this situation.
As has been said.....'stick to the facts'

A friend of mine was found to be 20% responsible for a car accident, by his insurance company, even though he was asleep in bed and his car was parked in his own driveway. Someone missed a curve and plowed into his car. He had to go to court and win ,to get his repair bills paid. So you can be found responsible, even if you have done nothing wrong. Something like letting your dog roam your own property.

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Originally Posted by krakadawn

Blanket statements will always get you in trouble.
How can you say 'in many cases grounds for being destroyed'? The grounds for shooting a dog are very specific and in such instances even the legal agent is required to prove a level of intervention prior to such an act. There are numerous court cases which have ruled against the person doing the shooting as an example.
The definition of being 'in control' especially for a farmer with areas of fencing is very flexible and you will not be able to pin any responsibility back on that farmer for this situation.
As has been said.....'stick to the facts'

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The MNR near Bonfield Ontario used to give permission to the guys hunting deer to shoot dogs running deer during the open rifle season, there is no use of dogs in that particular zone yet gangs run dogs anyway.

"In many cases grounds for being destroyed" did not define such grounds, just stating that there are lots of different instances where they can be and many people do not understand that. I have a few friends that think it is just find to have their dogs running off leash in the bush and chasing deer, they never seem to think about the potential impact, like causing the doe to abort the fawn or run to the point of dying of exhaustion, etc.

The number of cats that roam around my area too is disgusting, people just think that they are natural and should be allowed to roam, then blame the coyotes for the drop in grouse/turkey numbers.

Couldn't agree more about the cat issue and not defending someone using dogs in a no dog area; however, MNR cannot grant that permission under the current regs to some hunters to shoot dogs as in the example quoted. Not to say someone did not say/do that but certainly not under current law.

Anyone shooting at someone's dog,anywhere,better being carrying a badge and warrant card PLUS have reasonable and probable grounds. Having said though,the dipshyte who shot the farmer's dog will get bugger all for charges out of it if/when caught. "Trespassing to hunt" is a set fine of $150. Even criminal charges are pretty "iffy". "Destruction of private property" is only a summary conviction offense. As much as it PO's everyone,in the end,not much will come of this.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

A friend of mine was found to be 20% responsible for a car accident, by his insurance company, even though he was asleep in bed and his car was parked in his own driveway. Someone missed a curve and plowed into his car. He had to go to court and win ,to get his repair bills paid. So you can be found responsible, even if you have done nothing wrong. Something like letting your dog roam your own property.

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Apples to oranges.....not even a close comparison.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Anyone shooting at someone's dog,anywhere,better being carrying a badge and warrant card PLUS have reasonable and probable grounds. Having said though,the dipshyte who shot the farmer's dog will get bugger all for charges out of it if/when caught. "Trespassing to hunt" is a set fine of $150. Even criminal charges are pretty "iffy". "Destruction of private property" is only a summary conviction offense. As much as it PO's everyone,in the end,not much will come of this.

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There will not be a set fine !