What John Q. Public thinks of hunters.....

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Originally Posted by welsh

The question concerns whether ethics exist in the absence of licensing bodies.

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Of course it does and has been pointed by others, and yes it's personal...simple example; shooting a Turkey while is roosting is not ethical by some but OK by others.

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Originally Posted by welsh

How about you start, by making the case that this is actually hunting, rather than pest control or veterinary euthanasia?

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If he's stopped by authorities, what license do you think he needs to show?

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Until which time hunters start making an effort to improve their public image then it's only a matter of time. The douchebags who parade their African trophies just to elicit a reaction make it tougher for the rest of us. Either you face that fact or can keep your head in the sand.

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I work my azz off to get the easiest shot possible. If you want to judge me based on the end result photo, go ahead.
It makes you look like the douche bag, not me.

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Originally Posted by welsh

is this scenario hunting?
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You decide...
1) The hunter paid about $20,000 US for his permit.
2) A Ph from an outfitter drive the hunter to the Farm which was about 80 to 90Km from the Lodge.
3) The Farmer had a quota for Elephants.

As for with holding Info, you and other would want to know more details before making a judgment about things, Badenoch does not seem to need any facts at all.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Of course it does and has been pointed by others, and yes it's personal...simple example; shooting a Turkey while is roosting is not ethical by some but OK by others.

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Exactly. Shooting a fawn or a doe with fawns, baiting, shooting at running deer, grouse on the ground, long range shooting... the list goes on. All legal, all things I would personally do under the right circumstances, yet all could be (and have been) called unethical by other hunters.

The idea that some standardized set of ethics exists amongst hunters is absurd.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

1) The hunter paid about $20,000 US for his permit.

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Interesting point. Tell me, at what dollar value does hunting become hunting? Is it still hunting if the permit costs $6?

Again: what differentiates hunting from pest control or euthanasia? Or, to approach this from another angle, what is the meaning of the verb "to hunt?"


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Originally Posted by onelessarrow

If he's stopped by authorities, what license do you think he needs to show?

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Badenoch has of yet to answer the questions. As I have said to Welsh, he and other would want more info. Badenoch seems to only need " Hunter Shot Elephant, that did not run away" .

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Originally Posted by welsh

Interesting point. Tell me, at what dollar value does hunting become hunting? Is it still hunting if the permit costs $6?
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Without the permit it's not hunting...that would be called "POACHING". Since the cost of the permit for an Elephant is about $20,000 that is what he would have had to pay.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Without the permit it's not hunting...that would be called "POACHING". Since the cost of the permit for an Elephant is about $20,000 that is what he would have had to pay.

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ROFL OK.

Any thoughts on the meaning of "to hunt?"

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Originally Posted by welsh

In fact, surveys show over 80% of the general public support hunting for food

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Well since you quoted a survey that provides 80% acceptance of Hunters by the general public how about you provide the link so we can read it for ourselves..

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Let's try to get back on point...do you have a link to your source that supports the premise that 80% of the general public support hunters. ?