Is this normal?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

If its being prepared for long term storage it already has been butchered and the tag has been taken off.To suggest that implies the tag did not have to be on it prior is not correct,refer to the plain and simple wording in the summary.Any butcher had better have a tag handy to show for all and any deer he has hanging in his freezer,plain and simple.

When I last spoke to a CO this fall to be precise they do have scanners to record the info on the tags,store it and if a tag is re used or copied they can catch it.

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Haha, they must have gotten them in the last three weeks !! The CO that we spoke to, just dated and initialled our tags....why? Who knows!! I suppose if he checked us again and we had tags that weren’t initialed, we would have some splainin’ to do....
You don’t suppose the scanners are like the ones that they were supposed to have to scan the strip on our outdoors cards ???? You should know that the wording in the summary means jack !!! It’s the legislation wording that counts.

Anyones butcher let them age like this??.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Simple, they don’t, unless they are conducting an investigation. Our guy up north says he never sees a CO, unless they bring a seized moose in for cutting.
That’s the reason the butcher here takes our outdoors card number and name. Any question of legal possession can be followed up through the card number. It would tell them if you had a doe or buck tag etc...
I err on the side of caution as well. I left the head on, properly tagged but skinned.
The butcher says they don’t need the tag.....just the info I already mentioned .???

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Just because "your guy" up north "never" see,s a CO means jack s---. Maybe if he saw a CO he would not be recording your outdoors card number because that,s totally wrong.I have never been to a butcher who asked for an outdoors card number.

Why would you give your outdoors card to anyone other than a CO.

Do you not know this could be detrimental to you in a number of ways?

If your butcher up north has no tags on his animals hanging I would think he would have a problem with a CO.

If I were you I would rely on the summary,reading the reg,s properly and NOT RELYING ON YOUR BUTCHER UP NORTH.

The exemption you reference Rick is related stictly to processing. Not hanging, processing. Many camps butcher their own and just like the butchers, they usually hang them for some time before processing. Now how is your exemption going to work at a camp?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

LOL I think I will stick to the summary,leave my tag with the butcher and allow the MNR to record what they want.Is there anything in the regulations that are contrary to what I posted from the summary?

You believe that a hunters obligation ends for tagging and possession of the tag ONCE at the butchers.I am going with the summary and the hunters obligation
continues to have the tag attached until the animal IS PROCESSED and prepared for long term storage.
If it was what you contend how could the CO,s record tag that are filled into a date base for possible enforcement action.

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From the Summary......
This is a summary of information dealing with hunting licences and hunting laws in Ontario. This summary is neither a legal document nor a complete collection of the current regulations. It is meant to be a convenient reference only. For complete details, see:
A.the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, and the regulations made under this Act;
B.the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (Canada), and the Migratory Birds Regulations;
C.the Endangered Species Act, 2007, and the regulations made under this Act;
D.the Species at Risk Act (Canada), with regard to federally listed species that are threatened, endangered or extirpated and their critical habitat; and
E.the Trespass to Property Act, 1990.

I figured you would know better !!!

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Originally Posted by onelessarrow

The exemption you reference Rick is related stictly to processing. Not hanging, processing. Many camps butcher their own and just like the butchers, they usually hang them for some time before processing. Now how is your exemption going to work at a camp?

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First off, it’s not MY exemption. It’s the law.
You don’t need to tag your deer at camp, as long as you are right there with it. Once you leave to hunt etc., it must be tagged.....
With respect to butchering while at camp, you should talk to your CO. That section which appears to be new, says a hunter can’t skin, package etc. Unless the species, sex etc., if the game cant be readily identified....I have no idea how they will interpret [COLOR=#505050]that....
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20. (1) A licensed hunter who kills a wildlife species under the authority of a tag shall ensure that the carcass is not skinned, cut or packed,
[COLOR=#505050](a) in such a manner that the species cannot be easily identified;
[COLOR=#505050](b) if the tag specifies the type of species or the age or sex of the animal that may be hunted and killed, in such a manner that the type, age or sex of the animal cannot be easily identified; or
[COLOR=#505050](c) in a manner that is contrary to the instructions that accompany the tag. O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.
[COLOR=#505050](2) Subsection (1) does not apply once the animal has been transported from the site of the kill to the site of processing and is being prepared for long-term storage. O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.
[COLOR=#505050](3) No person shall possess a carcass skinned, cut or packed in contravention of subsection (1). O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Haha, they must have gotten them in the last three weeks !!

Reply.No I spoke with CO on the 22nd October 2019 and was told they had a device for scanning the tags.I posted previously about this meeting.



The CO that we spoke to, just dated and initialled our tags....why? Who knows!! I suppose if he checked us again and we had tags that weren’t initialed, we would have some splainin’ to do....

Reply. Could be a simple as they do not have the number of scanners out in the field they need,as its a new en-devour.


You don’t suppose the scanners are like the ones that they were supposed to have to scan the strip on our outdoors cards ????

Reply. I have no idea,but typically the paperwork in checked in their trucks where I am sure they have their own date base for outdoor cards,CPIC...

You should know that the wording in the summary means jack !!! It’s the legislation wording that counts.

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Reply. I know that your butcher,s knowledge of the law counts for jack ----. The average guy reads the summary and its a pretty good guide,also considering the butcher,s that I use are asking for the tags to be left with the animals might also mean they are going with the summary.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

From the Summary......
This is a summary of information dealing with hunting licences and hunting laws in Ontario. This summary is neither a legal document nor a complete collection of the current regulations. It is meant to be a convenient reference only. For complete details, see:
A.the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, and the regulations made under this Act;
B.the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 (Canada), and the Migratory Birds Regulations;
C.the Endangered Species Act, 2007, and the regulations made under this Act;
D.the Species at Risk Act (Canada), with regard to federally listed species that are threatened, endangered or extirpated and their critical habitat; and
E.the Trespass to Property Act, 1990.

I figured you would know better !!!

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I think you would be better served with "asking a CO the question about leaving a tag on your animal at a butchers.Instead of relying on a butcher up north who does not keep the tag on hand and then asks for your outdoors card number LOL.

P.S. If you want me to do your hunter reporting for you this year,changing your address for you,applying for licenses for you ,just send me your outdoors card number......

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I think you would be better served with "asking a CO the question about leaving a tag on your animal at a butchers.Instead of relying on a butcher up north who does not keep the tag on hand and then asks for your outdoors card number LOL.

P.S. If you want me to do your hunter reporting for you this year,changing your address for you,applying for licenses for you ,just send me your outdoors card number......

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No thanks, I’m pretty sure that’s way beyond your level of comprehension !!!

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

First off, it’s not MY exemption. It’s the law.
You don’t need to tag your deer at camp, as long as you are right there with it. Once you leave to hunt etc., it must be tagged.....
With respect to butchering while at camp, you should talk to your CO. That section which appears to be new, says a hunter can’t skin, package etc. Unless the species, sex etc., if the game cant be readily identified....I have no idea how they will interpret [COLOR=#505050]that....
[COLOR=#505050]
20. (1) A licensed hunter who kills a wildlife species under the authority of a tag shall ensure that the carcass is not skinned, cut or packed,
[COLOR=#505050](a) in such a manner that the species cannot be easily identified;
[COLOR=#505050](b) if the tag specifies the type of species or the age or sex of the animal that may be hunted and killed, in such a manner that the type, age or sex of the animal cannot be easily identified; or
[COLOR=#505050](c) in a manner that is contrary to the instructions that accompany the tag. O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.
[COLOR=#505050](2) Subsection (1) does not apply once the animal has been transported from the site of the kill to the site of processing and is being prepared for long-term storage. O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.
[COLOR=#505050](3) No person shall possess a carcass skinned, cut or packed in contravention of subsection (1). O. Reg. 544/17, s. 3.

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I did on this subject and have already posted it but here it is again.
Quote from the CO.
"You would need to attach the tag if you are not immediately accompanying the animal or immediately available to produce it for inspection. So if you’re leaving it with a butcher, you would need to leave your notched tag. The tag must remain on the animal until it is processed and prepared for long term storage.

Based on the info, if the animal is simply skinned, it is not processed and prepared for long term storage.