Hunting rifles and big game at distance

Absolutely two different mediums , compare apples with apples!

Over 60 years of hunting/killing big game experience, countless dear and 38 moose plus western big game and caribou, I have a very good idea / knowledge of what a bullet will do using everything from standard lead cup and core bullets to various solids.
There is absolutely no comparison in shooting a bullet into a piece of poplar and animal flesh .
Comparing the two shows a very definite lack of knowledge.

That is like the fellow here a number of years ago was going to do penetration tests on dead chickens hanging on a fence, to see how his shotshell ammo penetrates, dead chickens verses live flying ducks, ludicrous! , he was laughed/ridiculed right off this forum.

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Absolutely two different mediums , compare apples with apples!

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You are correct, but sorry I haven't shot one into an elk. Tissue is softer therefore less deformation to the projectile.

Think about it, or do a little experiment to prove my point. Place a lead egg sinker on a chunk of ham and another on a block of sound wood and strike both with a hammer then see which deformed more....

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Coming from the guy who stated nobody has any business shooting game past 100yds. We can make or own assumptions on your amount of experience. I have far less experience than you, I've only been hunting big game for 35+years. When I was young an inexperienced like yourself I didnt want to believe anything less than though the ribs was the way to shoot game. As years past and I did some of my own experiments, I no longer believe that theory at all.
I also have a great respect for talent and skill far beyond my own limitations. I find it truly sad how others here feel they need to attack others that may have more skill and talent that their own.

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Ok pal. Whatever you say. Again, your lack of English comprehension skills are showing and again that's not what I said. The number of people who actually have any business shooting at big game beyond 100 yards is a very small percentage. Those of us that live in reality already know this.

I don't care how old you are or what you attempt to pass off as experience, but it's plainly evident by what you post here (and elsewhere) that beyond theory when it comes to shooting and ballistics, you don't have a clue about much else. As to my own experience... folks here can make up their own minds on who is full of it and who isn't.

I won't put you on ignore, because the nonsense you post is just too entertaining, but I'm done wasting my time responding to you.

Oh, and I suggest you do get more comfortable with tracking game if you decide to actually start launching projectiles at game at 400+ yards. Two months ago it was 300+, I guess after a few long range shooting videos your max has increased.



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Originally Posted by oaknut

You are correct, but sorry I haven't shot one into an elk. Tissue is softer therefore less deformation to the projectile.

Think about it, or do a little experiment to prove my point. Place a lead egg sinker on a chunk of ham and another on a block of sound wood and strike both with a hammer then see which deformed more....

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Again, two different forces at work, against two different mediums.:rolleye:

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Again, two different forces at work, against two different mediums.:rolleye:

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10/4 rubber duckie! [emoji106]

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Interesting thread.The ethics of long range shooting at a game( rifle this time)came up again,with two different approaches about it..

I found an interesting Youtube video about an albino bull moose."White moose "'is the title of the short video.
The video is great,but i am to share some comments related to it,those comments show how the video touched people(or not).

For the " pro and con ethic" members(and for those who reason about ethics )

This was about the albino moose-but i think it is an universal message:
Most true hunters have a code of ethics and would never kill such a magnificent animal!

This one is reply to another comment-but boy if it is not driving the ethics home..............
The code of ethics is what most non hunters don't understand about us, I'm with you and following that code will keep us both true to the sport and love of hunting.

Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by oaknut

Watch "Lack of Ethics with Long Range Hunters – The Real Gunsmith" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/NTp08rJauos

Anyone wanting to shoot at extreme distance or thinking it's a great idea should give this a watch. It's about as honest as it gets from an old timer who knows his scat.

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Originally Posted by TroutSlayer

16 minutes long, but well worth watching!

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Agree..he's honest and has a good grasp of what is ethical in regards to hunting.

I have a 500 yd range on my property and it's open year round. I've offered it to guys who say they can shoot long range. I get a lot of excuses and they never show up. Haha..

I should call it the 'Put Up or Shut Up' range :)

His follow up video on cartridges is also right on the money. Someone worth listening to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSRhQK9KoMY

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A retired African professional hunter that knew his business once said that if an animal was further than 300 yds he used an ancient technique, stalking. Good advice from one who knows.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Agree..he's honest and has a good grasp of what is ethical in regards to hunting.

I have a 500 yd range on my property and it's open year round. I've offered it to guys who say they can shoot long range. I get a lot of excuses and they never show up. Haha..

I should call it the 'Put Up or Shut Up' range :)

His follow up video on cartridges is also right on the money. Someone worth listening to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSRhQK9KoMY

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You told me we could make it 500 but have to move a wagon to get enough height :P

I am up for it, not in this cold but once thing warm up, you wife can watch the kid :D


Long range shooting is for those who practice at long range. I was watching The Best of the West a month or so ago, they were hunting elk at very long range. They actually discussed setting up with their spotters, settling on the animal and dry firing a dozen times to know the breaking point of the trigger and not having any surprises, it was very well done and they walked through everything for the extreme long range shot.

I have no problem with a long range shot when someone puts in the range time and knows exactly what is happening with their gun or bow. I have a bigger problem with the guys who hunt for 1 week in deer camp and never take the gun out of the safe the other 51 weeks, to me they have worse ethics than the guy who knows there bullet will hit that pie plate at 1000 yards.

Let me give you a few examples.

- Guy brings along his shotgun because he wants the pump and no scope at closer range while dogging, valid. I ask him what he is shooting and he says "These are the slugs the guy gave me, says they will clover leaf at 100 yards", they were sabot slugs, he was shooting a smooth bore gun.

- Guy bring up a borrowed 44 Mag Ruger semi, proceeds to shoot at 2 running deer at 100 yards through the bush, misses, tells me that I should use that rifle over my rifled barrel shotgun as it is "a real rifle". Later that day he tells us that he has not shot it but his buddy tells him it pushes a 240gr bullet at close to 3000fps, he had never shot it once before the hunt. I had shot my shotgun many times, know that it was dead on at 75 yards, 3 slugs touching at that range.

- Guy pulls out his 270 Win, says he is still using the ammo he bought with the gun, back in the 1970s, still had 3 rounds left, "enough for 3 years".

Where are the ethics?

Heres the heart and lung shot, and a high shoulder shot. You can make your own assumptions on ethics. Maybe the mods will pull it down like other hunting videos being posted
https://youtu.be/aYk6cQx5qJ4
https://youtu.be/sRnL_Mk2p9E

any long range video like gunwerks has is a advertisment, same as any hunting show period. They show the best situation in the product they use to sell more of them which then pays for the show,
Hunting outwest for big game you talk to the guides and they laugh at a lot of these long range shows cause they don't show the misses and the cripples which would be bad for business. One guide told me a shooter missed 7 times before hitting a elk, Guess what when he watched himself guiding the hunter on tv the 7 missses got edited out for some reason and it was a one shot kill. Weird how that would happen not showing the truth.