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Originally Posted by rf2

Let's go back to the very first response to this thread - maybe we should have stopped it there.
Also note that this thread is against community rule #1. Maybe that rule was created to protect people from their own stupidity.

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No it's not encouraging anyone to do anything illegal....it's asking if you do. Makes for a good discussion if people were honest.

But if you're slitting hairs;

The fact is ....it's against the law to 'hunt' before legal time. (FWC 113: Unlawfully hunt at night 20 (1) (a) $250.00 fine)

Technically you have already broke that law by even being in you blind/stand before legal light..

Hunting:

The definition of Hunting under the Fish and Wildlife Act:

“hunting” includes,

(a) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or

(b) capturing or harassing wildlife, except that “hunting” does not include,

(c) trapping, or

(d) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of or pursuing wildlife for a purpose other than attempting to kill, injure, capture or harass it, unless the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed as a result, and “hunt” and “hunter” have corresponding meanings; (“chasse”, “chasser”, “chasseur”).

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

As is most everything we read on the internet, and especially in anonymity, its to be taken with a grain of salt? This thread has deafened me with the sound of all the bibles being thumped?

Here's another confession that may or may not be true. The other evening, after leaving my stand, I realized the time and had to race to get to the liquor store before it closed at 6 PM! Probably was doing a few klics over the limit and I may or may not have slowed at a stop sign instead of doing a full stop. I'm a rebel without a cause.....:scream:

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BUT... you had a very good reason !! Lol

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Exactly..

But..not splitting hairs. The scenario has nothing to do with a situation where your walking, not in the parking lot, not sitting on the shore line where they can paddle up to you. But sitting in your stand/blind back where you hunt. A place where the chances of a CO walking up to your blind at 5:30 am, in the dark and check to see if your rifle is encased is ‘0’.

The scenario that is alluded to; when you are in your stand/blind at 5:30 am, settled in, do you uncase your rifle and chamber a round (put on the safety ?) and lay it across your lap and wait till legal hunting time.

OR do you sit in the blind, with the gun cased until the minute it’s legal, then open the case and load your rifle.

as it turns out , BM is right..lots of Halo’s..

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The original question was "Who amongst us law abiding darlings and angels, un-case's and loads their rifle prior to legal shooting time half hour before sunrise?". Doesn't specify anything else about when/where. Some real-world examples were given showing that COs are out checking for this type of thing far from main roads, in the dark.

If some people feel that the chances of getting caught are slim under certain scenarios, and they are willing to take that risk, that's up to them. But it's not too intelligent to be telling anyone who knows how to use the internet that they do it.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

But if you're slitting hairs;

The fact is ....it's against the law to 'hunt' before legal time. Technically you have already broke that law by even being in you blind/stand before legal light..

Hunting:

The definition of Hunting under the Fish and Wildlife Act:

“hunting” includes,

(a) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or

(b) capturing or harassing wildlife, except that “hunting” does not include,

(c) trapping, or

(d) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of or pursuing wildlife for a purpose other than attempting to kill, injure, capture or harass it, unless the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed as a result, and “hunt” and “hunter” have corresponding meanings; (“chasse”, “chasser”, “chasseur”).

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Well Mike... you were doing well up until this post.....there is NO law against “hunting” between the prescribed hours.... it’s like “hunting” from a conveyance..... happens all the time. Where you cross the line is if you are in possession of a firearm while not encased between those prescribed times, strictly speaking from the “hair splitting” perspective... lol

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Originally Posted by MikePal

But if you're slitting hairs;

The fact is ....it's against the law to 'hunt' before legal time. (FWC 113: Unlawfully hunt at night 20 (1) (a) $250.00 fine)

Technically you have already broke that law by even being in you blind/stand before legal light..

Hunting:

The definition of Hunting under the Fish and Wildlife Act:

“hunting” includes,

(a) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or

(b) capturing or harassing wildlife, except that “hunting” does not include,

(c) trapping, or

(d) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of or pursuing wildlife for a purpose other than attempting to kill, injure, capture or harass it, unless the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed as a result, and “hunt” and “hunter” have corresponding meanings; (“chasse”, “chasser”, “chasseur”).

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MP-your remark makes 100 % sense.Hovewer if we intrepret this the way it is presented-almost NO ONE should be EVER in the bush ,EVER,before leagl shooting time.......makes sense?No.
Even if we look further-item(a,) pretty much prohibits even bird watchin too:silly:

That is why i am always wondering,why the Ontario Hunting definition differs from the one from Quebec.

They state pretty much the same as definition for hunting-except their sentence is ending with -WHILE in posession of arms.

Now,one with empty and encased gun(encased from all 6 sides)does not "posess"a gun for hunting purpose.Does he/she?No.
No lawyer and not challenging..........

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

What "official" time are you using or referring to? I don't believe there is an "official" time per se? It will always be the precise moment based on your location. The GPS will calculate that instantly or, if you have a copy of a Nautical Almanac and a sextant, you might be able to figure it out? lol

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Either,Environment Canada or The Weather Channel websites list daily sunrise and sunset times for each specific area very accurately,sufficiently enough to be used and accepted as evidence in any court because it's readily verifiable and widely decimated.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Well Mike... you were doing well up until this post.....there is NO law against “hunting” between the prescribed hours.... it’s like “hunting” from a conveyance.....

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The fact is ....it's against the law to 'hunt' before legal time. (FWC 113: Unlawfully hunt at night 20 (1) (a) $250.00 fine)

Rick...night is between the legal times...can't hunt at night....means you can't be in a Blind or stand if it's night (dark).

You have to sit in the parking lot talking to the COs until the legal time before you head into the bush. HaHa..

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Originally Posted by gbk

MP-your remark makes 100 % sense.Hovewer if we intrepret this the way it is presented-almost NO ONE should be EVER in the bush ,EVER,before leagl shooting time.......makes sense?No.

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You mean some laws don't make sense..I'm aghast....but yes that is the way the law is written and largely ignored..like sitting in a stand with your gun encased waiting for the legal time HaHa..

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Either,Environment Canada or The Weather Channel websites list daily sunrise and sunset times for each specific area very accurately,sufficiently enough to be used and accepted as evidence in any court because it's readily verifiable and widely decimated.

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I guess with the new phones there is little argument about the 'right' time....used to have to worry that your Timex was running fast compared to the CO's Cartier...:)