As long as they don’t bring back the phone-in draw!
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As long as they don’t bring back the phone-in draw!
Scenario-to make this topic more tangible.
WMU where there is a good chance to get a tag for high(-er)point holders,and good area for moose hunt.
Larger group (lets say 6)with many high points.
Apply all 5(6-th just used up points last year .)
Get 5 tags in the first draw.
Claim ONE(or NONE).
All remaining point holders apply in the second draw.
All get tags.
Claim ONE.
This way they achieved FOR THEIR group many things:
-they got a tag
-them successfully ELIMINTED 30-40 OTHER hunters as competition from THEIR area for the season.No tag-no hunting.
-by eliminating many others,they got their OWN private hunting area
-by eliminating many others they "ASSURE"moose harvest is low-so THEY will have GOOD chance even next year to BAG a moose.
-they assure they will be able to get tag next years too
-they assure the can play this game of "good for me -bad for thee"for many years to come
We are all humans,and just because someone is a hunter does not make the hunter a SAINT. We are juts as selfish as the next sportsmen in another field.
Hard to see why this unfair system is so difficult to change.
Leave the first draw as is-but make a rule:
You apply for the tag-you got a tag-you loose your points(you can decide if you claim it or not though)
Easy as easy-and NO new software programming ,no waiting ,no delays.
ps-phoning in is likely the least predictable, and most frustrating way of spending half a day ,phoning like crazy-getting a no connection(line busy signal)for hours,then going thru to find out,no tags left ......
Leaving many ,many with sour taste,challenging their own sanity of doing something so futile..........
That's the problem people complained about the phone in line, I used it once and got a tag so I liked it. but them tags all got used, just because it was a pain for some, the people that got the tags were happy. Not everyone is going to be happy. I will gladly spend half my day calling in with 3 phones to be told there isn't a bull tag means I missed out, but the chance I did and get one that's awesome.
This system is not unfair, the people that have applied the longest in the wmu they want to hunt get the tags, how many tags were drawn in the old system that never got used but no one heard about it because you didn't have a choice, some random person in your group that don't hunt gets a tag and cant transfer,
Maybe get rid of party hunting and you must have a tag and can only shoot your animal like some states.
Matt. The other day you were advocating for hunters that had to cancel their hunt because tags awarded go unclaimed taking opportunity’s away from other hunters. Now you are saying get rid of party hunting or group hunting. Probably 3/4 of all moose hunters that go hunting would not be going if only the tag holder was allowed to shot the moose. The last time I checked we live in Canada. Who cares what they do in the states
Ralphy, there are 2 different Matt's that have posted
Sorry about that I never realized there was 2 Matt’s. What Matt 86 says about tag transfers in the old system is not right. Every group could have one transfer.The hunter with the most consecutive years of applying got the tag and could be transferred to the hunter with the 2nd most. If the transfer was going to another member of the group that was not going that would be on the group or group leader. Not the old system. The rules are made for everyone to go by. No one can complain about playing by the rules.
So you think that is fair having a bunch of people never planning on moose hunting apply in a group and so you can transfer the tag, I have a friend that hunts 48 the old system he had his mom,sister,grandma and aunt in the draw. None ever even touched a gun, trust me I know how the old system worked.
My thoughts on no party hunting is only due to the fact be no unclaimed tags that were drawn, you draw you go simple system really. Everything left over buy on a first come first serve basis.
New Bruinswick has a system in place like that, 2 people to a gun and takes 8-10 years to draw a bull tag in the areas I know about, I've hunted a lot of different places and there really is no system that is going to keep everyone happy.
I personally love the new system I have had 4 tags in 4 years with it, my dad is 3-4, my hunting partner is 3-4. Hope it changes to can buy unclaimed tags after the second draw but future will tell
Matt86 I was not questioning anything but what you said about tag transfers which was not correct. I think if your friends mom, sister, aunt and grandmother took the required hunting and gun safety courses, had their aquasition and possession card and bought a moose lic. I would say they are playing by the rules.If your friends family never went hunting did he get the tag every year.
Yes playing by the rules but was it fair?
and yes they did get a tag every year because was about 8 others who family did the same thing and all apply as a group, and was ways around the same person not drawing a tag 2 years in a row if you had enough people. The one that drew year before if they transferred they simple didn't apply the next year then back to pool 2 and a reset for them. And they hunt wmu 48 which is extremely hard to draw in
My dad and I gave up moose hunting many years ago 21b. We have a beautiful camp/cottage up there since 1973. Plenty of fish and grouse makes us satisfied. The system is so flawed.
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