Shopping at Sail... Weird

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Originally Posted by terrym

Not sure what the legalities are but my neice works retail and my oldest daughter also does part time and when shoplifters are caught the mall security takes them into an office and holds them until police get there. I don't have a clue if they have the right to do so but it's how it is handled.

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Citizens arrest powers.

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Originally Posted by krypplephite

Legally speaking, they can ask to look in your bag. If you refuse to comply, they have a choice to make...

They can either let you walk away, or they can attempt a citizens arrest using no more force than is necessary to detain you for the police. Store staff or private security has the same authority that any citizen does. No more, no less.

If you believe you are being falsely arrested by another citizen, you also have the right to use no more force than is necessary to prevent that arrest.

Where I grew up, that's called a fist fight ;)

When asked, I always comply and then never (ever) return - I'm not out to ruin some poor wage-slave's shift or risk a confrontation with an overzealous rent-a-cop.

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Exactly. They're not the only show in town, and certainly not the best. Any place that makes Le Baron's customer service look good has got REAL problems. Haven't been to SAIL in months, no plans on going back.

I find it ironic that the people who think having your bags checked as a trivial thing, would probably be the first to complain about registering your guns. Using your logic you have nothing to worry about if you are doing nothing wrong. Freedoms and rights come in all forms

didn't get the point...if there was one...

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Originally Posted by seabast

Do you have to go to custommer service when you buy a knife? They are not vegetable either!

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Originally Posted by perch hunter

I find it ironic that the people who think having your bags checked as a trivial thing, would probably be the first to complain about registering your guns.

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No Irony would be if you complain about having your purchase checked leaving the store, but didn't care they searched you bag pack going in the a Rock Concert in the stadium... (which most do now). Try and refuse to allow them to do that and see if you get thru...you'll be enjoying the concert from the parking lot :)

No idea what's changed these days, maybe nothing, maybe something.

They have the right to detain you if they witness a theft...a citizens arrest..That holds you until LEO arrives, evidence is given and LEO formally charges.At one time in my life a long time ago I was a licensed PI, way back it carried a title of officer of court/queen (not sure). These days security guards, PIs all get licensed, are all trained on powers of arrest, evidence collection and retention.....Am not sure about retail store, loss prevention staff if they are in house. Worked on a number of things, with LEO and others, including a particular place that was experiencing significant losses. Suspicion isn't enough.

That said, if someone does make a citizens arrest advantage them. True they can't use any more force than necessary, but they can use "force" to detain you (just within limits), the more you resist, the more force can be used against you...."fight" them and you could be in more hot water resisting arrest.

Does anybody get bent out of shape at airports where bags are searched? Where your subjected to scans? A sign of times is all. Its an inconvenience, one that is easily avoided and one that is easily ignored and at the end of the day its your choice to let it get under your skin, to let it raise your blood pressure or not.

Stress is not a good thing, trust me.
pick your battles and smell the roses

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Originally Posted by MikePal

No Irony would be if you complain about having your purchase checked leaving the store, but didn't care they searched you bag pack going in the a Rock Concert in the stadium... (which most do now). Try and refuse to allow them to do that and see if you get thru...you'll be enjoying the concert from the parking lot :)

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That's not really a valid comparison.

Besides, why would you bring a backpack to a 2 hour rock concert?

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Originally Posted by JBen

the more you resist, the more force can be used against you...."fight" them and you could be in more hot water resisting arrest.

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You'd only be in hot water for resisting if the arrest was justified.

You have every right to resist an unjustified citizens arrest.

But I agree that if you are about to resist or fight, you'd better be sure about the difference.

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Originally Posted by Grasu200

didn't get the point...if there was one...

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Well, you mentioned that Sail is not selling vegetable. So I thought you meant that buying ammo has to be a big deal, going to customer service and bag check.... Knife are no vegetable either and can kill in the wrong hand.... Get it now?

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Originally Posted by MikePal

No Irony would be if you complain about having your purchase checked leaving the store, but didn't care they searched you bag pack going in the a Rock Concert in the stadium... (which most do now).

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Originally Posted by krypplephite

That's not really a valid comparison.

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What are you talking about..it's the perfect comparison....your willing to drop your indignation for one search but complain about another....you either stick to your scruples or you don't, it's called hypocrisy.