explain to me why ohep cost 300 bucks?

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Originally Posted by mark270wsm

Can someone explain to me why the cost is 300 bucks.. I just read on the ood site that the hunting course cost around 300 bucks I know this includes the firearms course but are we really kidding ourselves . I think that 300 bucks is a little excessive seeing its only a 20 hour course if you have 15 kids/adults that's 4500 bucks less about a grand for the books and course fees. and most places cost the same amount, this boarders almost on collusion (price fixing) . at this cost no wonder hunting is dyeing 300 bucks for hunter ed 50 for pal plus 10 for picture . This system is flawed and needs to be fixed .

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Originally Posted by mark270wsm

Dythbringer are you kidding me. the cost is not the issue here the problem is it is a set price and as we have heard there is no competition . Like I said it is not the money we in Ontario are not only getting bled dry by our government we are also getting bled dry by our hunter safety course . I urge you to check these websites out and the cost and tell me if you think it is right for us to be charged this much

http://www.atlantichuntered.ca/nb/HunterEducation.htm

LESS THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR BOTH PAL AND HUNTERS COURSE.. AND WE PAY 300 I THINK A PHONE CALL TO MY MPP IS IN ORDER

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mark270wsm,

I have added your OP for some context. I am not sure where you got yoru information about the OHEP being $300. I have found a course instructor in Barrie which has the OHEP for $150. If you decide to take the Canadian Firearm Saftey Course with the same instructor/course, the course is bumped up to $250. All three courses (Hunter Ed, CFSC, and the restricted course puts you in the range of $375). This is according to the instructors website: http://www.hunters-course.ca/

Now the way I see it, for two (or three) courses (considering one course is provincial and one (or two) course is federal), that is a more than fair price. I use to work at a company which designed blast furnaces and the company gave me the opportunity to attend a Blast Furnace Ironmaking course (there is a link from last year's course:http://mcmasteel.mcmaster.ca/bfcours...chure_2012.pdf). The cost of the course (40 hours) is $1750 (the price is on the brochure) per person. I am not sure if you have ever looked into continuing your education at a post-secondary school (night classes, online classes, etc) but considering the fees for the class can run past $300 (that is simply what the class costs to attend then you have to go and purchase your own course material for those classes), I believe the hunter's ed is priced relatively well.

Dyth

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Redd.... 20 students a week end.... 6000. Dollars... Once a month lets say... 72000.. I think that they make good money...

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Less the insurance, cost of the books, cost of equipment (initial outlay and gradual replacement as things wear out), rent a place to hold the course, (or own a place to hold the course - electricity, heat, etc.), pay someone else to give the test, travel to where the course is held assuming it is not at home, advertising, etc.

Some may make lots of money putting on the course. Others in smaller communities or where there is more competition by other instructors...maybe not.

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Originally Posted by grizzlygreig

are iindividual instructors able to right off things like hotels, gas, and other things like class rooms to teach in as kinda like a small Business?... Wonder if the ontario government would be able to do the same thing that the New Brunswick government does and have our MNR do the course here for the same cash as N.B.?... We pay way more taxes then they do there ... Don't know for sure about the taxes but we pay our fair share for sure!!!!

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Still wondering about this OPTION...and are expenses not a right off...

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Originally Posted by grizzlygreig

Still wondering about this OPTION...and are expenses not a right off...

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I don't think you understand how writing off expenses actually works. It doesn't make the expense go away.

You have to pay for whatever the expense is. Then, when tax season rolls around, you get to claim that expense on your taxes, which reduces your tax bill. If I earn $1,000 and incur $400 in expenses doing it, I have only $600. And all that writing off the expense does for me is to let me avoid paying taxes on some of my $600. So, if I was going to pay 30% tax (to keep the math simple), and it was a straight deduction (i.e. my $400 expense reduces the taxable income by $400), writing off the expense lets me keep $120 that I would otherwise have paid in tax, and my after-tax income is $540. Without the writeoff it would be $420.

Buying guns to use in class is probably not a straight deduction. Then you're into capital claims allowance.

People who don't run small businesses seem to think that writing off expenses magically puts money back in your pocket. It does not.

grizzlygreig,

Sorry I hadn't responded to your comment.

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Originally Posted by grizzlygreig

Ok... Still not bad money!... But not having a option to choose here is what I am getting at... And dyth it is not just a rich mans sport... It's a individuals choice what he spends to be in the out doors.... IMO... No offence to ya boys!...
not looking for a pissing match....lol

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Hunting isn't a rich mans sport. However, it is more expensive than most people think it is. It is much like owning a dog. By the time an average dog's life has ended, you will have paid more towards overhead costs (food, vet bills, training, etc) than you do for the inital purchase of the dog. Most activities/pasttime have a similar dynamic. It costs more to maintain your presence in an activity than the intial cost to start it.

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Originally Posted by grizzlygreig

are iindividual instructors able to right off things like hotels, gas, and other things like class rooms to teach in as kinda like a small Business?... Wonder if the ontario government would be able to do the same thing that the New Brunswick government does and have our MNR do the course here for the same cash as N.B.?... We pay way more taxes then they do there ... Don't know for sure about the taxes but we pay our fair share for sure!!!!

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Originally Posted by grizzlygreig

Still wondering about this OPTION...and are expenses not a right off...

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You are assuming the instructors are making money under this program which we aren't 100% sure they do. Lowering costs may mean it will strictly become an academic course (no hands-on experience with firearms and you will have to purchase your books involved in the course). We also have to consider the current government dynamic right now. Between the various scandals which the current government is involved in as well as the MNR is slashing it's budget right now, asking to lower the cost of the course and price matching is more than likely very low on their priority list considering the current government gets most of it's support from urban centres (not that I am saying there aren't hunters in urban centres but their percentage represented is lower than rural areas).

Dyth

You teach those courses? You must be involved in Manufacturing?

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Originally Posted by HuntCamp'r

Just as a bit of a comparison...... Through work, I am a member of a local business networking group... that consistently offers seminars and training courses, "Lean Manufacturing", "Lean Supervisor", etc, etc... They typically would have 20-30 participants.

A typical fee for one of these 2 day courses would be $800 per person or $700 if you are a member.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

How many of you lever action or semi-auto users check your barrel for obstructions by looking up the business end of the barrel - something I was taught to *never* do?

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Not necessary. You can check the barrel/chamber for obstructions with a cleaning rod.

Right off your car?... Gas?... Office space in your own home?... Computer?... Meals?... Place to teach course?.... So tax payers are making a contribute to the course already... Just wanted to know if it could be a option for our MNR to put it on cheaper for new hunters on line like other provinces..or if you feel that you would prefer a hands on course then go to a private instructor ?... Not having a option is the thing here in ontario...

Once again - Any questions about the Ontario Hunter Education Program (www.ohep.net) may be directed to [email protected] or by calling (705) 748-5785 -- they will be better able to answer any questions about the program you may have.

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Originally Posted by grizzlygreig

Right off your car?... Gas?... Office space in your own home?... Computer?... Meals?... Place to teach course?.... So tax payers are making a contribute to the course already... Just wanted to know if it could be a option for our MNR to put it on cheaper for new hunters on line like other provinces..or if you feel that you would prefer a hands on course then go to a private instructor ?... Not having a option is the thing here in ontario...

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Again you are assuming they are self employed or running a business. Simply because there is a fee to take the course doesn't mean the instructor is getting paid or making any kind of profit from the class. When kids learn sports there is a fee to cover the costs involved with running the sport but the coaches aren't paid, they volunteer their time. They can't write off expenses such as the cost of gas to get to the field because they aren't running a business.

Dyth

Dyth