Why predator hunting is a must in your hunting areas

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

READ MY POST - I RESPONDED TO WELSHES COMMENTS. I KNOW COYOTES WEREN'T INTRODUCED. THEY ARE INVASIVE! I was referring to his examples.

You talk about ELK, Turkeys - WE RE-INTRODUCED THESE SPECIES FOR BETTER OR WORSE! THEY WERE NATIVE NOT INVASIVE!


ELK Turkey etc aren't the same as yotes.

Coyote population won't follow the deer. They will simply move on to other prey until all is collapsed and then finally they will decline.

They don't belong here.

By the way evolution does not take 40 years it takes a hell of a lot longer.... There are other factors that have contributed to their size.

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I CAN YELL TOO IF YOU WANT ME TO!!!!!!!


The Northeastern Subspecies of Coyote was recognized in 1949 and given its trinomial name at that time. They walked here, they were not introduced.

The whitetail deer population in Ontario is higher in the last 15 years than it ever had been in the past, with significantly higher hunting opportunities than any other time in history. There was a blip in the system back about 5 years ago when 2 harsh winters in a row decimated the population and just last year the population was hit again. We still have very high deer numbers in the areas of Ontario where coyote populations are the highest, which also happens to be in the areas where there is a larger number of people as well as farms. The deer benefit from agriculture and the coyotes benefit from the large deer numbers. Now that the deer numbers are falling then number of coyotes have to drop with that, this will occur when the amount of food decreases.

We re-introduced elk which are now considered nuisance animals around Bancroft. We re-introduced turkeys and the MNR are giving cull permits for them. The MNR are still giving cull permits for deer in many locations in Ontario, but yet you state that coyotes are killing them all off.

Coyotes are just as native as the turkey or the elk, they just did not need any help getting established.

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Originally Posted by trappermatt

interesting that you are at only half , is it lack of coyotes or a later start to chasing them ? The collared coyotes in the study done in prince Edward county showed a 50% turnover rate yearly with most of the kills being hunting or trapping

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We usually start first snow and at xmas break when the guys that have to work are out. Only this week when mating got into full swing did we start seeing a few more. But they are in groups more now so instead of finding one or a pair we seem to find more in a bush and they don't want to run.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Isn't it counter-intuitive to our hunting/angling philosophy for hunting/angling to become a sole financial resource rather than ethical and sustainable natural resource stewardship for the bettement of society,in general? After all,that's why wild game meat or animal parts can't be sold or battered,right? Isn't that the slippery slope to "market hunting" which caused the almost total collapse of wild game populations in the early twentieth century until strict hunting and fishing laws were enacted? The philosophy regarding organizations like QDMA do nothing but feed the anti-hunting agenda and are completely undefendable when the anti-hunting/animal abuse PR campaign cranks up using QDMA philosophy against all of us very effectively. With "friends" like that,we don't need enemies. To get the government involved as a financial investment opportunity is tantamount to crapping in one's own nest. Everything would be completely destroyed and lost forever,in a heartbeat.

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I disagree on that
reason being "we" have pushed our wildlife away by urban sprawl and change of habitat in order to have a sustainable population we now must intervene. I'd far rather see a healthy deer herd so instead of guys worrying about shouting a deer they start to selectively harvest without worrying about the neighbor shouting the next up and coming stud. this can only happen if hunters are regularly seeing deer and letting deer get to maturity and keeping the proper buck to doe ratio. none of this can happen without large deer numbers
does this come at a huge cost of course it does. ever driven on an interstate through Pennsylvania, Ohio or Michigan there's deer all over the highways and there has been diseases that have had outbreaks across the mid west

Dan

I don't know..... I like coyotes.... they are pretty cool looking....I also think they have a very kind/loving demeanor (the way they raise their young). Don't mind taking a few out each year but would hate to see them totally vanish.

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Originally Posted by fratri

I don't know..... I like coyotes.... they are pretty cool looking....I also think they have a very kind/loving demeanor (the way they raise their young). Don't mind taking a few out each year but would hate to see them totally vanish.

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What???

I don't mind them either, too bad if you don't like it!

A local group of coyote hunters always end up with kills in the 50's every year, hunting the same blocks of bush.

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Originally Posted by Huntnfish

I don't mind them either, too bad if you don't like it!

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What. Lol

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Originally Posted by ghost1324

What. Lol

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What don't you comprehend? I think I might be replying to Rambo in the previous posts that say we should kill them all.

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Originally Posted by fratri

I don't know..... I like coyotes.... they are pretty cool looking....I also think they have a very kind/loving demeanor (the way they raise their young). Don't mind taking a few out each year but would hate to see them totally vanish.

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You've got that right Frank , if they were all gone, it would be a long cold boring winter wouldn't it .