Labradoodles

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Originally Posted by Waftrudnir

... and for the record (most know anyway):
a GWP is the offspring of a DD that did not meet breeding standards. that much about how you create a new "breed" nowadays.

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WOW the GWP is the failed offspring of the DD, I'll let the GWP guys handle this ignorant comment.

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The breeders who supported this movement looked first to the old German Standard Poodle for its retrieving, tracking and calm demeanor, and to the English Pointer for its nose, style and search in the field. Through a series of experiments they bred the best of the coarse-haired breeds — Griffon, Stichelhaar, and Pudelpointer — with the German Shorthair to ultimately arrive at the Deutsch-Drahthaar. Their idea was to take the very best wherever they found it and use it for the advancement toward the characteristics they wanted in a versatile dog. The crossbreeding strategy of these breeders was revolutionary and they received harsh criticism from other breeders. Nevertheless, they remained single-minded in their purpose and continued with uncompromising dedication until they reached their goal.

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Hey Waftrudnir

WOW it looks like your DD was started by mixing the German Standard POODLE with the English Pointer lolololol, then they added the Griffon, Stichelhaar, and pudelpointer, then throw in the GSP and you end up with the DD.

Looks like you got yourself a Mutt brother!!!!!!

This all comes from The Deutsch-Dralhthaar Canadian site: wow what a little reading does.

http://www.vdd-canada.ca/public/the-...cteristics.htm

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Originally Posted by Big Gunner

No you need a new breeds to meet changing peoples requirements, and you develop new recipes not to make money, but the introduction of new spices and idea's,


Really what does this even mean... and where do you think all dog breeds came from, Europe

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do you really think the poodle is a new spice?
do you also think that all of Europe's dog breeds were successfully introduced to North America. they were not and there might a reson for it. if you feel you need a different tread on your tire you don't need to re-invent the wheel.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunner

... I'll let the GWP guys handle this ignorant comment.

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sure have it.
LOL
doesn't matter what I try to say, you won't get the point. you asked how the GWP was developed, I talked about the DD (not being a breed snob). just thought I make sure it's clear that the "GWP" is a spin off.
you could go all day about the VDD if one likes or dislikes certain things and a lot of people have done so over the decades.

The "doodle" or for that matter whole Hyphen dog phenomenon was a stroke of marketing genius. Seems now you can cross 2 breeds and the dam and sire don't even need to be particularly good representatives of their breeds and the hyphenated offsprings are instantly in demand by the yuppies. In fact they will insist that the hyphendog is actually a breed. There may be some good breeders who are actually using certified and health cleared Sire/dams but I would guess that is less than 5% of this new category. People are crossing rat dogs and listing them on Kijiji and making serious money. I mean give your head a shake here, if you can sell pups at $2000 a head do you really think these backyard breeders and wannabe puppy mills are in it to be the pioneers of a dog breed and or wanting to improve it? You may very well get a good one, that is the case in any mutt but you are rolling the dice and paying dearly for every roll. You would be better off buying a well bred poodle which are available in S-M-L for half the money. My parents always had poodles when I was growing up and they are surprisingly tough dogs and very intelligent.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunner

My thoughts are once you acquire performance and traits one is looking for then you would set the standards to which dogs are to be breed, is that not how it goes.
If its not there yet then how do you set the standard, and what do you do with the dogs during this process kill them?
and why is it useless breeding? I don't get this.

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Sounds backwards to me, I would think you would be looking for a specific trait or skill set if consciously crossing breeds

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Originally Posted by Cass

Sounds backwards to me, I would think you would be looking for a specific trait or skill set if consciously crossing breeds

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A cutesy name usually suffices in this target market. If it ends in "poo" it's worth an extra $500.

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Originally Posted by Cass

Sounds backwards to me, I would think you would be looking for a specific trait or skill set if consciously crossing breeds

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Well ,if a poodle is a great retriever and a lab is a great retriever , combining them should equal a super- duper retriever. No? It doesn't work that way ? :)

Some of the reasons for combining breeds have been minor in my opinion. Why did we need a GWP when we had a GSP? I assume we needed a dog that could handle late season duck retrieves more safely.
No more Jack Russell Terriers . There are now Parson Russell terriers and Russell terriers, bred smaller to enter holes more easily I guess. The old JRT entered holes just fine for years.

Folks like to play with genetics . Some for the better and some for the worse ..... flat faced dogs that have respiratory problems( Why bred that way?) and those poor German Shepherds walking on their hips. ( Why bred that way?)

Combining breeds for poor reasons has gone on for years.

edited for punctuation - I can't help it , I'm an old teacher. :)

I love it when somebody tries to tell me the have an Elhew Pointer or a Llewellin setter. That is just the blood line to me!

I believe a Sharon Terrier would be far more a hunting terrier if you were to breed!

Dick

Dick

Big difference between an Elhew or Llewellyn than a Hyphenmutt. They are in fact purbred dogs but as you say just a particular bloodline not a breed apart.