Actually,the Firearms Act created the problem. Ruger didn't create the problem anymore than Ford created a problem with the Shelby Mustang GT.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
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Actually,the Firearms Act created the problem. Ruger didn't create the problem anymore than Ford created a problem with the Shelby Mustang GT.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
Thanks 'B'...I was looking for the "in a nutshell view" of what precipitated this.Quote:
Originally Posted by B Wilson
How so ? The law was in place before the Ruger charger was introduced to the market place.
Shelby Mustang's are junk, so Ford owns that problem
So, are the Charger 'pistols' commonly available in Canada?
From: SOR/98-462 Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-RestrictedQuote:
PART 4 Prohibited Devices
[snip]
3(1) Any cartridge magazine
[snip]
(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
Poorly written legislation by anti gun political zealots causes vague, ambiguous and conflicting law.
The whole magazine related law is a joke. It was legal to take a 5 round .50 cal Beowulf magazine and load it with 11-15 rounds of .223 then use it in an AR 15 or any semi with a STANAG magwell. That was ok with the RCMP per their interpretation of the week.
Now .22 cal mags over 10 are prohibited overnight due to yet another mag interpretation due to yet another pistol re introduction that uses the same type magazine.
The whole Firearms Act needs to be rewritten to spell out specifics in black and white and no gray. Law shouldn't be such that every firearm law is an interpretation of someone in LE. It either meets the letter of law or it doesn't and it should be clear to all which is which.
well, I had my magazines for well over thirty years, the government did NOT change any laws, and yet the RCMP have decided that I am no longer allowed to have them. Who would you say is guiding the horse? Granted they will not charge me, as long as I get rid of them in thirty days....Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
The RCMP in effect, CHANGED THE LAW/Regulations on 2013-09-05 when THEY included the information and example about the Ruger .22 cal Charger Pistol WRT magazine capacity. It wasn't on the ORIGINAL "bulletin."Quote:
Originally Posted by mooboy76
As I posted before. It's a re interpretaion of an interpretation they made about the original REGULATIONS.(I believe 1993)
So now overnight, they have made criminals out of everyone who is in possession of a 10+ .22 cal magazine WITHOUT ANY due process, without any charges, without any court, with no compensation and with no consideration for property rights. Just a "memo"/"bulletin" and a stoke of the keypad and one is in possession of a prohibited device.
The rest of the joke is when you call and ask what to do about compliance. They don't know, they are not into compliance advice. Their bulletins aren't edicts for other Agencies I'm told and they have no say on what other departments do, yet one idiot said see your local Police and take it to them to see what to do. Wait what......
Gawd, you can't make this stuff up........
But it does feel good to shake a fist a Ruger for the Charger. Should you really market a 19.25" firearm, that you promote to be shot off a bipod, as a handgun? It's 3 1/8 lbs unloaded without optics, so up there with the 8" barreled revolvers, or 454 Casull revolvers, but double the length. Smells like a carbine to me, but I guess they have their reasons. Walther also released the HK 416 as a pistol - 5lbs unloaded and bare, 17" long. I guess they would be fun to shoot with only one hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Edit - I guess if you're shooting it off a bipod, then one hand shooting is a breeze
The sweeping 10+ is the issue I have with the new reinterpretation. The BX-15 is designed and manufactured for the 22 Charger as of 2015. The BX-25 and other 25+ magazines are designed and manufactured for the 10/22 rifle, since they interfere with normal bipod use in the 22 Charger. The original 22 Charger shipped with the standard 10-round rotary mag which has no issues with the regulations. None of the 22 Charger models sold by Ruger are spec'd with anything except the 10 round rotary or BX-15.Quote:
designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
It should really just be the BX-15 that is the prohibited device.
Funny. This is exactly what transpired with the Mossberg 715T. Originally sold with a 25 round mag.
Mossberg then designed a funny looking half Tac pistol that looked a bit like the Ruger charger.
The reg was applied then, mainly serving notice to retailers that they would not be able to sell the 25 round mags after a specified date. And effective after that date, importation into Canada became prohibited. Hence, you could only find the Mossy 715T with 10 rounders after that.
No attempt by the RCMP has been made to recover pre-existing 25 round mags, nor were any sales of existing mags , or 715Ts with them prosecuted. This was 2 years ago.
An individual in the gun community on CGN out of Alberta, contacted the CFC, and inquired about this. The answer he received was that it was mainly an exercise in prohibiting further importation, and sale. But anyone having the rifle with the 25 rounders would not be prosecuted.
I'll see if I can't find the thread later ( I cant go on CGN from work).
I strongly think that this is exactly what's happening here.