Can hunters and non-hunters honour shared values?

beating a deadhorse yet again...I'm gone...

Mike, perhaps just think about this. A "food for thought kind of thing".

If the "battle" isn't for the middle.If they don't matter, that its not them the politicians bow to.
Why do the Antis use images of cute baby harp seals in their propaganda to have the seal hunt shut down? Why have the Antis seized so expertly and learned how to use Social Media (unlike us, well some of us. who are way behind).

Do you think they are not only way better at it than "us", or run those baby harp seal images because they are trying to woo us? You know people who aren't going to be phased by dead bloody things?
Jeez sometimes......

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Originally Posted by JBen

Shared values
~A deep appreciation or love for nature and the outdoors. My daughter a rabid dog lover/animal lover, she is a non hunter. Many of my friends/aquaintences that are photographers are non hunters. A few friends that are big into yoga and meditation (marvel at my ability to sit in tree stands for hours in the dead of winter), in fact one of OODs writers/photographers is a "non" hunter. So many more fall into this group. While it's a common interest ( photography, dog lovers, anglers who don't hunt, campers etc, etc). I think its a safe bet underlying those things are shared values. To be sure there will be a minority who can be classified as "Dead set Anti). They are the minority by far.

~Respect for the law
~Respect for the environment
~Respect for wildlife
~Challenging one self (Be it in pursuit of game or versus the elements) aka "self improvement".
~Family values ( camaraderie with friends or bonding with children we so often speak of)

This is from my house warming a few weeks ago.We had around 80 people ( no family, just friends) . Of those 80 I can think of 5 who hunt. Maybe just me but Im thinking theres a lot of shared values to have that many friends over.............

For the record it's a non hunter manning the grill/smoker we did the sausages and venison burgers on. A huge hit they were.
http://jbenphotography.ca/img/s7/v153/p1965440713.jpg
Im sure there are more, just thought I throw a few out there off the top of my head


"Criticism"
~Bad Apples who break laws ( While relatively few, there are still a lot). We talk good game, but do "we" walk the talk? Things seem to change when we are out there and no-one is watching and it's up to us, to police ourselves.

~Incidents like this Bear hunter. While he didn't break any laws, Likewise seem to occur a little too often. Over and above the bloodthirsty red neck perception it leaves. Theres this little matter of self promotion for 5 minutes of fame. Happy it is UA dropped him. As Mike said, it's highly more likely UA is reacting to the back lash from the vast majority of the public ( those 80%) and not the very small 3,700.

~As the author writes. Inability to listen to the public and/or accept criticism when it comes our way. Many in this thread/the bear thread/others I can think of, dig their heels in ( like the NRA) and won't hear it, accept it.

~The author touched on the pre-occupation for big racks and bone. I personally have nothing against "trophy Hunting". But for a group (us) that has worked so hard trying to dispel the perception of red neck bloodsport, etc. We talk a fair bit about some of those "shared values". Just think about answer to "why do you hunt".....Well for a "group" who talks a lot about why we hunt....Big racks rarely get mentioned......More talking and less walking the walk???
Every magazine I can think of will have those covers the next two/three months.
funny that

As Welsh accurately said, we sure do a lot to discredit ourselves.
A few more I can think of, but just a few off the top of my head.

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Good post. You answered my previous question, More in common than I realized. : "In the long run, the risk lies not in discussing values but in failing to do so. The future of hunting does not depend primarily on defeating a handful of committed opponents who loathe all hunting. It depends on demonstrating to everyone else that most hunting is guided by values they share." quote from the article.

and what values do we share with non hunters?

I can think of not wanting an animal to suffer and caring for the environment , and that's about it. I doubt that's enough to bridge the gap.) quote Sh

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Thanks Sharon. :)
when I typed that is was an effort to try and turn the thread in a bit of different direction. In keeping with the theme of the article, and with "real world" practical experience. I'm sure all of us, have dozens of friends who fall into that "middle group" that is neither very Pro like us, or very Anti like the Antis and we share all kinds in common with respect to values. There isn't a single one of us who can talk to millions in the middle, be frank be honest, talk about the good the bad and the ugly (accept the criticisms). etc, etc. We can talk with friends/acquaintences, share our love on Facebook (but its amindfield, so be tasteful at all times).

Last year when Ceci and whats her name with the dead Giraffe splayed out hit a good number of my friends had a lot to say.
I asked why it's ok to display pics of kids holding dead fish, but god forbid a bear?


When I shot this assignment for the mag, it was for a family who didn't do a lot of fishing, where the biggest fish ever caught might be sunfish. While I don't personally know them, and don't know their stance on hunting. Im betting we share all kinds of values. One of which is getting kids into the outdoors.....and off PS4s
http://jbenphotography.ca/img/s6/v136/p1335694564.jpg

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Originally Posted by MikePal

that's not all together true..



you may want to bone up on the MNR decision.: http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ext...tusId=MTA3Mjc=

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Yes, it is true. The Harris govt wasn't worried about public opinion as a whole; they were worried about opinion in swing ridings in the 905, ridings that the Animal Alliance of Canada warned they intended to target with an advertising campaign if the hunt was not cancelled. Losing those ridings would have cost the PCs their majority.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Yes, it is true.

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The MNRF ER is a factually record and the official document that generated the changes to the laws that governed the Spring bear hunt…..and since it doesn’t contain single mention of Mike Harris and the voters in 905…it stands as the reference point for the facts in regards to the discussion at hand.

Not debating the politics behind the decision…just the facts as recorded .

Then you might want to read Bob Reguly's investigative journalism on the subject.

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