Ontario Proposes a New and Improved Moose Management Program

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh

I know I'm gonna get bashed here, but no one will address one of the real problems; native poaching. Three years ago they took 21 moose out of our area on snow machines in mid-winter. Yeah it's their right but that's just a BS statement. One of them told my buddy when confronted on the logging road that they'd "rather kill them all off than leave them for the likes of him (white) to be able to hunt them". They were even holding up the logging trucks with all the moose they killed. Nobody will ever do anything about that problem! Just saying.

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Feel good knowing your hard earned tax dollars are paying for their snow machines guns and bullets to waste those moose? We all support them and their rights..

The next few years will be interesting to see how this pans out. More could be done but its a start at least.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kavanagh

I know I'm gonna get bashed here, but no one will address one of the real problems; native poaching. Three years ago they took 21 moose out of our area on snow machines in mid-winter. Yeah it's their right but that's just a BS statement. One of them told my buddy when confronted on the logging road that they'd "rather kill them all off than leave them for the likes of him (white) to be able to hunt them". They were even holding up the logging trucks with all the moose they killed. Nobody will ever do anything about that problem! Just saying.

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We cannot do anything about the native hunt and poachers, all that we can control is the amount that non-native hunters take out of the population and no matter what people say about the natives, the bears and the wolves, those animals will still be taken by those sources and the only limiting factor is non-native hunters.

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Originally Posted by Fox

We cannot do anything about the native hunt and poachers, all that we can control is the amount that non-native hunters take out of the population and no matter what people say about the natives, the bears and the wolves, those animals will still be taken by those sources and the only limiting factor is non-native hunters.

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Well, the bears and wolves have been around with the moose for 10,000 years. It's the elephant in the room that everyone is afraid to deal with which is going to help decimate moose hunting as we know it.

If the government of the day, any day, goes to court over native rights, native rights win every time. Why? Because they have the piece of paper (contract), that was signed many generations ago by a lawful government. If courts upheld all of the native claims, they WOULD own a large part of the country. When does a contract, a signed legal document, between parties, no longer apply? When one party does not want it to? When it is inconvenient? What are natives doing when they unnecessarily kill animals because they can? As my mother would say, 'They are cutting off their nose, to spite their face'.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

If the government of the day, any day, goes to court over native rights, native rights win every time. Why? Because they have the piece of paper (contract), that was signed many generations ago by a lawful government. If courts upheld all of the native claims, they WOULD own a large part of the country. When does a contract, a signed legal document, between parties, no longer apply? When one party does not want it to? When it is inconvenient? What are natives doing when they unnecessarily kill animals because they can? As my mother would say, 'They are cutting off their nose, to spite their face'.

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People who freeloadand get a free ride through life respect very little. Why would they care if they don't have to work for anything?

Agreed....... but their mind set 'might be', mind you I say 'might be'...... Why work for it, I own it. Or , they view it as rent, for us to live in their house.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Agreed....... but their mind set 'might be', mind you I say 'might be'...... Why work for it, I own it. Or , they view it as rent, for us to live in their house.

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And we can see how productive of a society that mindset creates, no matter what race of people......pathetic

Agree again, everyone should have a purpose in life, it gives life meaning.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

If the government of the day, any day, goes to court over native rights, native rights win every time. Why? Because they have the piece of paper (contract), that was signed many generations ago by a lawful government. If courts upheld all of the native claims, they WOULD own a large part of the country. When does a contract, a signed legal document, between parties, no longer apply? When one party does not want it to? When it is inconvenient? What are natives doing when they unnecessarily kill animals because they can? As my mother would say, 'They are cutting off their nose, to spite their face'.

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I agree with that theory...to a point. Courts always seem to uphold native claims which were agreed to by treaty being a signed contract between two parties,The Crown and First Nations. A learned legal mind who is a close friend opined among some peers that he's never seen nor read anywhere in jurisprudence of a law suit by First Nations over property ownership of Canada,outright. In the discussion,it was the general consensus that the reason for that was that a very strong argument could be advanced that First Nations people were merely occupiers of the land and couldn't legally lay claim as owners. The chance of a Court ruling against First Nations would set them back to square one and bring into question every treaty ever signed.
If that may be the case,perhaps it's time to launch that law suit.