Mandated Vaccines - The law - Read about your rights

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Originally Posted by MarkB

That's the only real angles I can see ... and by the way, I am vaccinated, but I do understand people's reservations for not getting the vaccine because it was likely not sufficiently tested.

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100% agreed on this point

Irony is in that all vaxx and MSM who scream that anti-vaxxers don't follow science, fail to understand that it's actually the opposite.
Because scientific method "involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed" by it own definition.

Unfortunately, instead of trying to figure out potential solutions to vaccine side effects OR looking for an alternative remedies (different vaccines/supplements etc),
Our glorious politicians keep pushing mandates And trying to silence all opposing views (including those in medical community), thus themselves fueling the opposition.

This is a BIG strategical mistake imo, it's just getting more people who are less prone to believe the establishment; be it medical or political...

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I still haven't got an answer to what fully vaxxed people are afraid of...you trust the vaccine don't you ??

In a room full of vaccinated people and one unvaccinated...who's at risk ?

You can't get it from him and he can't get it from you ...

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Honestly, I don't give a crap ... I'm double vaxxed .... I'd have us all taking our masks off and getting back to normal, if I could.

The only thing, as I stated on another post is if our ICU is full of unvaxxed COVID patients ... and then someone dying of a heart attack or cancer, can't get proper treatment.

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Originally Posted by tamtam987

100% agreed on this point

Irony is in that all vaxxholes and MSM who scream that anti-vaxxers don't follow science, fail to understand that it's actually the opposite.
Because scientific method "involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed" by it own definition.

Unfortunately, instead of trying to figure out potential solutions to vaccine side effects OR looking for an alternative remedies (different vaccines/supplements etc),
Our glorious politicians keep pushing mandates And trying to silence all opposing views (including those in medical community), thus themselves fueling the opposition.

This is a BIG strategical mistake imo, it's just getting more people who are less prone to believe the establishment; be it medical or political...

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Yes, agreed.

Only thing I'd say is, 100% risk elimination will be impossible ... you could never do enough tests on the vaccine to conclusively say it is 100% safe.
In fact, there will likely be disputing test data (and probably already is) ... and at some stage you have to make a decision as to whether the risk is low enough, or not.
It will never be zero ... and that's okay. For example, there's a risk of dying from eating cereal that has bacterially infected mouse faeces in it. Or flesh eating bacteria people
get when they swim (with an open wound ... like a small cut) ... or even driving a car. At some stage, you cannot let the data paralyze you ... and have to decide that the risk is or
isn't at a suitable level. The science will make your head spin ... and be forever argued.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

The only thing, as I stated on another post is if our ICU is full of unvaxxed COVID patients ... and then someone dying of a heart attack or cancer, can't get proper treatment.

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With only 20% of the population unvaccinated and statistically only 4% of them will get sick enough to be hospitalized (based on data from #1,#2 #3 waves) the issue of the ICU being overwhelmed is (or at least should be) a non issue.

They made it through all last year, with 100% unvaccinated, they weren't overwhelmed.

Unaware that he was on a hot mic and being broadcast live on a TV station, Israeli health minister Nitzan Horowitz admitted that vaccine passports were primarily about coercing skeptical people to get the vaccine.

https://summit.news/2021/09/13/hot-m...bout-coercion/

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Unaware that he was on a hot mic and being broadcast live on a TV station, Israeli health minister Nitzan Horowitz admitted that vaccine passports were primarily about coercing skeptical people to get the vaccine.

https://summit.news/2021/09/13/hot-m...bout-coercion/

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Reminds me of a couple of numb nuts in Toronto as well.

i work in health care and have been working on a covid unit with no vaccine when this started. im told thru local news that they wont force us to get vaccine but regular testing is needed to continue to work after a certain date. im not anti vaccine or pro. should be your own choice what goes in your body.

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

vaccine passports were primarily about coercing skeptical people to get the vaccine.

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Anyone who hasn't drunk the Koolaid has figured that out...all social engineering, no science. :)

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Unaware that he was on a hot mic and being broadcast live on a TV station, Israeli health minister Nitzan Horowitz admitted that vaccine passports were primarily about coercing skeptical people to get the vaccine.

https://summit.news/2021/09/13/hot-m...bout-coercion/

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Heard some health care workers I think in cali were on a zoom meeting trying to figure out how to make is sound more terrifying.
The one suggest that they still use the recovered that are still in the hospital for various reasons.

It's all being exposed little by little. All to put the fear into everyone getting the needle.



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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Unaware that he was on a hot mic and being broadcast live on a TV station, Israeli health minister Nitzan Horowitz admitted that vaccine passports were primarily about coercing skeptical people to get the vaccine.

https://summit.news/2021/09/13/hot-m...bout-coercion/

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That is no surprise. The fear tactics are obvious, even here.