Ontario Liberals promise handgun ban if elected

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Originally Posted by Bo D

G , do you honestly believe banning hand guns in Ontario targeting lawful owners, because you know the ones with illegal hand guns won't turn them in will make a difference in gun violence committed with hand guns. Would you not think that money could be used in a better way i.e. Boosting border security, jail time,if even caught with an illegal hand gun, or an assault rifle... etc.

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I have not yet made any statement which would lead you to believe I think banning hand guns is a good idea. In fact just the opposite I would actually vote for Doug Ford and the CONSERVATIVES because of this stupid wedge issue brought up by the Liberal leader.

We do not need to spend any more money but need to make the penalties for illegal gun possession very severe, so the BIG QUESTION IS if you and I and most everybody else on this forum wants to throw away the key on these gun tooting gang bangers how come we cannot get all Political parties to agree on that.

Why does a Conservative MP not stand up at question period and ask outright a simple question PRIME MINISTER we propose that a 10 years mandatory sentence be legislated for illegal possession of a hand gun, would you support this?

If the answer is NO you use that in the next election cycle against the same Prime Minister.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

I am not assisting them they have that job.

Then what happens after their investigation ? Fast bail turn around back and armed again with a few hours. There is no deterrent so it just keeps happening.


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Well at least you appreciate that the police are doing THEIR JOBS. The revolving door on career criminals has been going on for at least the last 50 years.

Way more now. Funny thing is I would get in way more trouble taking my restricted out the back 40 plinking at some targets then a Drug addict would holding up a Gas station with a hot pistol.

There have been numerous cases where gang bangers were released only to be caught shooting again.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well at least you appreciate that the police are doing THEIR JOBS. The revolving door on career criminals has been going on for at least the last 50 years.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Way more now. Funny thing is I would get in way more trouble taking my restricted out the back 40 plinking at some targets then a Drug addict would holding up a Gas station with a hot pistol.

There have been numerous cases where gang bangers were released only to be caught shooting again.

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How very true unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Way more now. Funny thing is I would get in way more trouble taking my restricted out the back 40 plinking at some targets then a Drug addict would holding up a Gas station with a hot pistol.

There have been numerous cases where gang bangers were released only to be caught shooting again.

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Yepp. Makes no sense. I can legally shoot a .338 Lapua or even a .50 cal, where a poor shot could do some serious damage the next county over, but I can't plink with a .22 pistol.

The laws make absolutely no sense. As with all liberal policies, they are heavy on feelings and light on facts/common sense.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I have not yet made any statement which would lead you to believe I think banning hand guns is a good idea. In fact just the opposite I would actually vote for Doug Ford and the CONSERVATIVES because of this stupid wedge issue brought up by the Liberal leader.

We do not need to spend any more money but need to make the penalties for illegal gun possession very severe, so the BIG QUESTION IS if you and I and most everybody else on this forum wants to throw away the key on these gun tooting gang bangers how come we cannot get all Political parties to agree on that.

Why does a Conservative MP not stand up at question period and ask outright a simple question PRIME MINISTER we propose that a 10 years mandatory sentence be legislated for illegal possession of a hand gun, would you support this?

If the answer is NO you use that in the next election cycle against the same Prime Minister.

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From your post #58: "The gun laws in Canada work pretty well for most law abiding citizens..."

If they work so well then why are they trying to drastically change them, to the detriment of only those law abiding citizens?

I believe you were also supportive of banning AR's previously (but not for Natives), and have offered many anti-American & pro-UK talking points on the subject of guns generally, and on handguns specifically ("no one really needs a handgun" type of thing). So based on a cursory glance of all this one could easily infer your support for the proposed handgun ban. But thank you for clarifying you do not in fact support it.

I agree we need policies that will solve the actual problems of urban gun crime. A handgun ban is clearly not one of those.

Mandatory minimums would be a great starting point (Harper tried this but it was struck down by libs who called it "racist"). Since your legal restricted cannot leave your home except for a few extremely narrow purposes, if you are caught with an illegal handgun with the serial # filed off outside of these legal purposes, malicious/criminal intent would be a given.

Stricter border controls is another one.

This will never happen, especially with everything shifting further left. It will just keep getting easier for criminals and more difficult for law-abiding gun owners.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The problems with Mandatory minimums is that one size does not fit all and is more of a problem for a law abiding citizen who might get caught up in the legislation for a paperwork violation. When you go the mandatory way a Crown Attorney or even a Judge has no lee way.

But a hand gun ban I agree is a stupid idea and there is no way in Ontario today it will fly as a election ploy.

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That's why I said they should look itno and go case by case instead of standard protocol. Some times people just get caught up in the mix of a bad situation. But if you are going to continue to be a problem maybe after 2 or 3 or 4 different bails there should be a time when it's not acceptable. If your already on 2 bailout why should they get bail a 3rd time to go out and keep doing what they are doing without learning anything the first 2 times lol.

We shouldn't punish them less because it's to easy .

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The problems with Mandatory minimums is that one size does not fit all and is more of a problem for a law abiding citizen who might get caught up in the legislation for a paperwork violation. When you go the mandatory way a Crown Attorney or even a Judge has no lee way.

But a hand gun ban I agree is a stupid idea and there is no way in Ontario today it will fly as a election ploy.

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I believe an easy way around this is based off your previous record. You already cannot legally obtain a PAL or firearm with a criminal history...so that puts you in a different category right off the hop.

A law-abiding citizen with a squeaky clean past making a forgetful slight detour on the way home from the range is not in the same universe as a criminal walking the streets at 2am with an illegal concealed firearm or committing a robbery or murder with that firearm.

Another way around this is freeing up some of the rules for legal restricted shooters, or doing away with the PAL/RPAL distinction entirely and just keeping the prohibition against fully automatic weapons. For example -- being able to hunt with or carry a sidearm for wilderness protection under the authority of a PAL and regular hunting licence, being able to plink on private property, and so on. It's all either lawful, sporting use (good) or criminal use (bad).

Holy crap, did someone slip something in my coffee this morning?

Gilroy agreed with fishfood and Bushwhacker? I think I'm loosing it.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Holy crap, did someone slip something in my coffee this morning?

Gilroy agreed with fishfood and Bushwhacker? I think I'm loosing it.

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I think we are beginning to realize we are all a part of the same community.....