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One of the best things included in the "new" system is tightening up tag transfers that effectively brought all the so-called "license stacking" nonsense to a screaming halt. Now to transfer a tag,MNR requires lots of documentation and each application is required to be actively verified. Anyone with a bogus application will likely wish they didn't.
This year our group got our tags in the primary draw. In the second chance draw I applied for a bull in the first choice with a chance I would or would not claim it if I was awarded a tag.A couple of bays latter I called the MNR and asked if I could change my first choice from a bull to 999 and I was able to.Hopefully giving a group without a tag a chance at a bull tag. My question is what are other groups doing out there that where successful in the primary draw.
It was mentioned many times-people get 2-3 tags,then claim one. With many agendas why ............That is what many groups are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralphy
One just need to read the MNR reports to see that.
i can not fathom why this is much fairer then the "ghost moose hunters system "was-then and there a ban on transfer would fix that.Not happened.
Here and now-, a simple"You apply-you take "would fix everything.
Giving it back with heavy duty reasons should be still allowed. Within serious reasons(health-family )
I take no issue with guys applying for tags in the first draw and not claiming tags they don’t need. It’s about managing a group’s tags in order to at least take one tag. Our group has been together for some forty years or more. The days of getting multiple tags are gone. We manage our applications to try and at least get one adult tag. A calf tag is applied for, for a “just in case” scenario. That hasn’t presented itself yet. I do think that after the second draw, there needs to be a mechanism that will allow unclaimed tags to be available. I’m sure the MNRF are considering that issue once more data is available.
I did not think there would be much of a response on the question what groups do in the second chance after being successful in the primary draw. I think that pretty much all hunters that hunt in groups apply again in the secondary that have not claimed a tag in the primary. I have to agree with JBK that this system is no better than the old system . The complaints about the old system pretty much came from hunters , I am guessing hunting in the southern units where getting a tag is still pretty much 15 or 20 years. As finfurfeather says if you want to hunt go where the tags are . If you want to hunt in a certain area lineup and wait you’re turn.
This system is way more fair then the old system, No one can even argue that. If they thought of how there would be so many hunters not claiming tags maybe they could have did something right away.
But it is the hunters applying for tags they don't use, nothing to do with the system we are taking advantage of the situation.
That's human nature, If I found a way I didn't have to pay taxes I would take that to, as I'm sure everyone would.
Most groups I know all apply to the 2 round to try and get bonus tags that don't cost a point after you get you main tag you want, That's the main reason so many tags go unclaimed, We as a group of 4 got a bull, we all applied for cow and calf tags and all drew calf tags because no one wants them and we all got them on are 3rd pick. so that is 2 calf tags just in our group going unclaimed. but way it set up we all have to apply for them cause it is a lottery.
If group hunters were more aware and trusting of the system, then only the hunters that are 100% of being awarded and accepting of the tag should apply. For example in our group of 4 we only wanted one bull tag yet 3 hunters had enough points and applied for bull tags. End result was that we were awarded 3 bull tags but claimed only 1. Had only one guy applied, we would have been awarded our bull tag which would have left 2 tags for other hunters/groups to claim.
As it stands now, there’s no justification in applying for an adult tag with your second or third choice as all tags are awarded to hunters with there first choice.
But for example, if said group had 3 guys with the same number of points had only 1 guy apply and that was at the cutoff point total, it goes to a random draw for everyone at that point total if it exceeds the number of remaining tags and you'd be kicking yourself for not having all 3 guys in for a chance at 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Menard
This is my concern. If your group had 2 or three guys with the sufficient point numbers, it’s best to all apply since the number of applicants is an unknown and you may end up in a random draw scenario. If all are awarded tags, then only accept one if that’s your plan. The big issue is the MNR needs to have a process where all turned back tags get awarded. I’m sure they are looking into this issue now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantgetright
Another reason not to allow second round tags to remain unclaimed until the end of the season - the temptation to use them after the fact. Don't do it!! Boneheads!!
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