Its a shame that the changes they are proposing really have little chance of increasing the moose pop in ontario
The real issues that need tackling are First Nations harvest, predation, loss of habitat and not in that order!
Its a shame that the changes they are proposing really have little chance of increasing the moose pop in ontario
The real issues that need tackling are First Nations harvest, predation, loss of habitat and not in that order!
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Originally Posted by DanO
must be a different 48 cause i have a ton of moose around my place...
right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by 270 WBY
you know it, I know it, and a bag of hammers knows it! Too bad the MNR, over-educated tax collectors don't know it!
The biggest issue in front of them is HOW TO KEEP THE $ FLOWING IN!
[QUOTE=SK33T3R;874905]right on!
you know it, I know it, and a bag of hammers knows it! Too bad the MNR, over-educated tax collectors don't know it!
The biggest issue in front of them is HOW TO KEEP THE $ FLOWING IN![/QUOTE
The money coming in is number one on the agenda not the well being of the moose herd
I can't believe some hunters have suggested closing the season. Might as well just close the deer season too since numbers are low and tags have also been cut.
Nothing will help the moose herd until every hunter has to be licenced and following the same rules.
We can blame predators about the loss of moose until the cows (no pun intended) come home. The biggest threat to the populations are us humans. There are too many of us for the moose population to go around. Might as well face it....the First Nation harvest is not going to change any time soon, you can try to kill all the predators you want but won't be able to and that is just nature taking its course anyways. So we have a choice....change what we do as far as the harvest or kill them until they're all gone and then whine about something else.
We need to comment on the proposals and if we don't like it....come up with some good suggestions to fix it.
If the MNRF was serious about the declining numbers, they would suspend calf and cow hunting in WMUs that show diminished populations for a couple of years. As a moose hunter, I would support this approach. I do not agree with the shortened calf season, as I believe it will lead to orphaned calves after week 2 that will not make it through the winter (ie can shoot the cow but after week 2 must let it's calf walk because it is out of season). But, the reality is that the MNRF wants hunter's money, and they won't get it by closing down seasons in specific WMUs.
Regardless of what the aerial surveys say, there are still large pockets of moose in some areas that have been identified as declining. The problem is that the data is extrapolated for the entire WMU, so if they survey a barren area, the assumption is made that the entire area is in the same state. I'm in an area that has good moose numbers contrary to what the survey implies, but can't get an adult tag, even though we see them on a daily basis during the season.
I'm not doubting your word Steve. The MNR stated that the evidence indicates the calf tag system hasn't made much difference in zone 48. They don't issue very many tags in 48 for that reason. There aren't many moose in the area of my camp (west of Deep River). Zone 48 is so large I'm not surprized there would be pockets of higher density.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishy steve
ya that is the problem is the size of 48... when i started hunting the area there were very few moose, now we have more moose than deer, but deer seem to be bouncing back right now to, so that could even result in a negative impact on the moose... time shall tell...
All of these are excellent proposals posted here,but,every one of them will negatively impact revenue generation,to some extent, into government coffers. If they're posted to the E.B.R.,I'm very intereseted to see if the OMNRF actually impliment them or,as I suspect, this is simply an exercise in paying lip service to the problem while government,as usual,sucks and blows at the same time. Honestly,I'm not overly optimistic.