Anti wind turbine thread ?

We just stumbled upon another windmill location, start sticking them on top of the hydro line towers, feed directly into the lines. Stick one on every tower, particularly the ones in the city, where the greatest amount of consumers are. Are they to big and cumbersome to get up there? Reengineer it so it works. If these ugly (and they are ugly) things are the way of the future, then I want the city folks to cohabitate with them and enjoy them as much as the rural folks do.

Did I hear at some point good ol' Dalton was involved with windmill technology on some sort of executive level?

[COLOR=#333333]On an unusually windy day, Denmark found itself producing 116% of its national electricity needs from wind turbines yesterday evening. By 3am on Friday, when electricity demand dropped, that figure had risen to 140%.

[COLOR=#333333]Interconnectors allowed 80% of the power surplus to be shared equally between Germany and Norway, which can store it in hydropower systems for use later. Sweden took the remaining fifth of excess power.
[COLOR=#000000][COLOR=#333333]“It shows that a world powered 100% by renewable energy is no fantasy,” said Oliver Joy, a spokesman for trade body the European Wind Energy Association. “Wind energy and renewables can be a solution to decarbonisation – and also security of supply at times of high demand.”“140% of required energy”
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[COLOR=#000000]Based on one freakishly windy day July of 2015?
So they are most clearly not producing the energy they “require” as energy is required 24/7 and wind and solar cannot supply this.

Britain is starting to bail out of wind power.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-scam-age.html

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The use of coal fired power plants are no longer acceptable and are being phased out in favour of wind/solar...the cost is high, but to meet target environmental goals..it has to be done. Not anecdotal..

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Originally Posted by Species8472

That is simply not true (the coal part) Germany is burning more coal that ever and building new coal fired facilities and opening new coal mines in an effort to provide firm capacity to backup their unreliable solar/wind.

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I did ..this is what the people want..as I said...coal is unacceptable..:

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He draws hope from a recent poll, which asked German citizens what was their preferred source of power.


Most wanted solar power (80 percent), while 76 percent also wanted wind power as part of the mix.

At the other end of the poll, eight percent said they wanted nuclear. Just five percent said coal.

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The government was in the process but as you see in the article the got sidetrackd by getting rid of Nuclear first...but coal is still on the way out and being replaced by wind/solar....it's just going to take a little longer.

https://euobserver.com/energy/132106

One last point Mike. I'll agree europeans tend to take environmental issues more seriously than most. The anecdotal part is thw opinion that this makes them okay with having the most expensive electricity in the world. Unless there is some large scale study i don't know about that is opinion and not a fact.

A little longer? What, like forever? They have no idea how long as the technology does not currently exist to meet their goals.

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Originally Posted by Mcfasio

Wind turbines are no more of an eyesore than the high voltage powerlines that have crossed our otherwise pristine countryside for decades.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

The anecdotal part is thw opinion that this makes them okay with having the most expensive electricity in the world. Unless there is some large scale study i don't know about that is opinion and not a fact.

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Well, as was pointed out in the article, with 76% of the population voted in favour of wind power, knowing the costs up front...I think that qualifies as fact.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Well, as was pointed out in the article, with 76% of the population voted in favour of wind power, knowing the costs up front...I think that qualifies as fact.

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I read the article and nowhere does it say that the poll provided the cost up front. It just says 76% prefer wind. No details on poll size or distribution or background information provided to the people polled.

I could conduct a poll and ask people the following:

What would you prefer to drive - A Kia or a Porsche?

Or I could ask the following:

Knowing the capital cost, insurance cost, maintenance cost and fuel costs of a Porshce versus a Kia and given your current income level what would you actually purchase and drive day to day?

Vastly different answers. You are inferring way too much from one sentence in an EU-centric article.

No facts can be inferred from the sentence in that article without a lot more information.

Facts that are non-disputable are:

- Most expensive electricity in the world
- more coal plants and coal mines
- no firm timeline for replacement of coal with renewables

Actually I clicked the link to the "recent poll" but it was all in German - perhaps there is some background info there if you could translate.

Don't bother - ran it through a translator and there are no details on the exact question or method.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

Actually I clicked the link to the "recent poll" but it was all in German - perhaps there is some background info there if you could translate.

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Man you'll argue anything..the poll was done in Sept 2015...and since they have had wind power in Germany since since 1987 (yes 28 yrs) it can be safely inferred that the public knows the cost and still 76% has voiced there approval for it...why argue that point ? ...a trick question ..LOL...

Mcfasio. Do you work for wind company? ;) your location is Kanata, which to me anyways says. A city dweller proponent who thinks they are great. It amazes me how self entered city people are ( and not referring to you specifically). People who live in cities are
the biggest polluters, the largest consumers of power, and more. They want and want and want. So long as other people pay the prices. And it's not your backyard. I had to chuckle at the comparison to hydro towers. :)

While it's virtually impossible to put up wind farms inside urban centres sadly. Here's a novel idea, why don't urban dwellers start paying the price. Maybe Jack hydro rates for certain area codes 30% and reduce rates for those that have to live with them by 50%.