Looking for a hunter with a small male setter

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Originally Posted by sidelock

"Father knows best where the bird is, not where he thinks he is" With all due respect I totally disagree with that statement. If that was the case, what's the use of having a dog. I'm from a different school and believe that the dog should take you to the birds not the other way around.

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I understand from a handler running a bird dog why you would disagree. Putting this comment in context is about sending a retriever to find a bird.....a blind if you will. That was how it was intended, it's actually a saying fairly common on the trial circuit.

I am not taking anything away from their natural ability to find a bird(nose,range,etc) but rather to focus on their ability to trust and take directions enroute to a known destination. One of the important skills retrievers must have. If you ever attended a retriever trial you would understand the intended context.

This is not about old school approach or not.

Ah, ok.

Welsh "[COLOR=#333333]Remember, the only thing two dog trainers can agree on is what a third trainer is doing wrong. :)"


Very well said, LOLOL That's awesome

I have experienced this first had with people trying to help me with the training of my guy. I appreciate the help but for a new guy like me it sends my head spinning with people telling me one thing then someone else telling me to do the opposite of what I was just told, and I have little experience with training so I'm just lost.
lolololol

U pick a proven program and u stick with it until you know enough to make your own calls

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Originally Posted by yellow dog

Why is it concerning ??? Two different breeding program approaches no different than the UK Lab and the North American Lab. Same animal different approach,philosophy ,criteria to a breeding program.

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What's troublesome is the implication that hyperkinesis is a common problem in North American springers, which breeders are ignoring. There's no evidence for this.

I don't see many people complaining that their dogs are untrainable or that they have to nick them continually with an e-collar to get their attention. And by "many," I mean "any." So clearly, this is not a widespread problem.

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Originally Posted by welsh

What's troublesome is the implication that hyperkinesis is a common problem in North American springers, which breeders are ignoring. There's no evidence for this.

I don't see many people complaining that their dogs are untrainable or that they have to nick them continually with an e-collar to get their attention. And by "many," I mean "any." So clearly, this is not a widespread problem.

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Totally agree with your statement.

The other thread I started has had 99 views and not a single person claiming hyperkinesis with any evidence/diagnosis.

Nicking a dog continually with an e collar would say wonders about your training!

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Originally Posted by welsh

What's troublesome is the implication that hyperkinesis is a common problem in North American springers, which breeders are ignoring. There's no evidence for this.

I don't see many people complaining that their dogs are untrainable or that they have to nick them continually with an e-collar to get their attention. And by "many," I mean "any." So clearly, this is not a widespread problem.

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You said this much better than I.