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January 15th, 2019, 06:35 PM
greatwhite

Welcome to the Right Side. ;)

You should come by sometime when the Ottawa guy's get together for breakfast.

Did you have a nice Xmas?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

OMG my first post this year agreeing with you again,heck you might end up turning me to the DARK SIDE.LOL

I dug this up while looking on the net for Mike Hardgreaves.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lor...eed-clarifying
January 15th, 2019, 06:37 PM
greatwhite

Yeah I have seen that article. My buddies GF who is a cop (Well just retired last year) has seen my safe and yup it's perfectly fine unless I get robbed than the game changes.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

OMG my first post this year agreeing with you again,heck you might end up turning me to the DARK SIDE.LOL

I dug this up while looking on the net for Mike Hardgreaves.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lor...eed-clarifying
January 15th, 2019, 06:49 PM
welsh

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The alarm system really is of no help at all, we saw many,many, break and enter and thefts where bad guys drove a stolen car through the windows of a gun shop,scooped up a bunch of firearms and were well on their way before the police arrived.Average response time when I was on the job downtown Toronto was 7 minutes.

The entire SAFE STORAGE concept in the firearms Act was to prevent suicides,having ammo and guns separate would make a person think before killing themselves.I am not saying this myself it was RIGHT in the firearms act video which I showed to the troops.Safe storage has not been defined by the courts as far as I know and its very open ended and subject to the discretion of LEO,s.

I am not to sure how you came to the conclusion the apartment was simply rented to store guns in.Does not make sense as the accused,s had plenty of places to store his guns,he was a firearms instructor and also had full access to the Lakeshore firearms range.I can tell you this for sure as he instructed me on my Glock at that very location.I think the fact that the CROWN dropped this
whole mess tells us a lot.

If a thief is determined enough they will break in anywhere, why the hell are we picking on the victim of the Break Enter and Theft.

What level are we going to set the bar at for Standard of Care.

I think a reasonable person would think a full metal extremely heavy safe which took the bad guys TWO DAYS using cutting torches to break open meets and probably exceeds the standard.

Also the fact that the CPFO was out to get this guy should have been enough to get this tossed out of court.

I don't disagree with many of your points, though of course an alarm system might have prevented the thieves from spending two whole days getting into the safe.

Regardless: the fact that I understand the legal basis of the charges and the argument the Crown would make shouldn't be taken to mean I agree with the charges.

As you well know, the Crown needs to be able to make a good faith case or we get into malicious prosecution. The standard of care is up to the courts to determine.

In any case, this idea that having up your guns stolen will lead to you being charged is horse pucky.

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January 15th, 2019, 07:07 PM
greatwhite

I don't have any proof, but a Friend of mine who is my neighbors GF and just retired this year. Many and most times if your guns are stolen even from your safe you will be charged with unsafe storage and she said it happens a few times every year just in Ottawa alone. Any safe you buy in Cabelas can be broken into within a few minutes.

As I said my safe is perfectly fine according to the Ottawa Police,....... unless they get stolen.

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Originally Posted by welsh

I don't disagree with many of your points, though of course an alarm system might have prevented the thieves from spending two whole days getting into the safe.

Regardless: the fact that I understand the legal basis of the charges and the argument the Crown would make shouldn't be taken to mean I agree with the charges.

As you well know, the Crown needs to be able to make a good faith case or we get into malicious prosecution. The standard of care is up to the courts to determine.

In any case, this idea that having up your guns stolen will lead to you being charged is horse pucky.

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January 15th, 2019, 07:16 PM
welsh

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Many and most times if your guns are stolen even from your safe you will be charged with unsafe storage .....

So you're saying the Crown is in the habit of laying charges with no evidentiary basis and no chance of conviction.

And you wonder why I don't take you seriously.

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January 15th, 2019, 07:16 PM
rick_iles

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I don't have any proof, but a Friend of mine who is my neighbors GF and just retired this year. Many and most times if your guns are stolen even from your safe you will be charged with unsafe storage and she said it happens a few times every year just in Ottawa alone. Any safe you buy in Cabelas can be broken into within a few minutes.

As I said my safe is perfectly fine according to the Ottawa Police,....... unless they get stolen.

More BS !!!!!
January 15th, 2019, 07:48 PM
greatwhite

What BS?? What that my Safe has not been seen by the cops??? That I don;t have a friend who just retired from the Ottawa Police force?? I dare say you have no idea, do you??

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

More BS !!!!!
January 15th, 2019, 07:50 PM
greatwhite

Really you think so??? I suggest you check your facts.

Seems to me someone on here called BS a few years ago when I said I Registry was never deleted and than lo and behold the liberals found it. Be careful what you call BS.

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Originally Posted by welsh

So you're saying the Crown is in the habit of laying charges with no evidentiary basis and no chance of conviction.

And you wonder why I don't take you seriously.

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January 15th, 2019, 07:51 PM
greatwhite

I may not type as elegantly as you do. But trust me I know a lot more than you would ever imagine.

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Originally Posted by welsh

So you're saying the Crown is in the habit of laying charges with no evidentiary basis and no chance of conviction.

And you wonder why I don't take you seriously.

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January 15th, 2019, 07:53 PM
welsh

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I may not type as elegantly as you do. But trust me I know a lot more than you would ever imagine.

So you *can* tie your own shoelaces?

Okay then.

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