Hunting rifles and big game at distance

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

You do understand when you shoot through the brachial plexus and break the spine the cns shuts down and that's it lights out.

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I do, this stops the heart from beating however so does 180 grains of lead to the heart. Brain death happens after the same period of time in either case due to oxygen/blood deprivation. The bullet does not send high voltage to the brain causing instant death, the entire body behind the bullet strike is paralyzed.

A recent study I read that was performed on a deer farm that tested positive for CWD had interesting results. They took the opportunity to try and find out why sometimes a heart shot deer will fold without a twitch and other times they can run 100 yards. Upon dissection of the deer that dropped instantly they found all the blood vessels in the brain had exploded. The conclusion was that the bullet struck just as the heart valves opened sending a high pressure rush of blood to the brain blowing up the capillaries. This is the only time brain death will be near immediate when utilizing a body shot.

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Originally Posted by oaknut

I do, this stops the heart from beating however so does 180 grains of lead to the heart. Brain death happens after the same period of time in either case due to oxygen/blood deprivation. The bullet does not send high voltage to the brain causing instant death, the entire body behind the bullet strike is paralyzed.

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The brain is part of the CNS, when it shuts down that's it there is no longer brain function, it has nothing to do with blood or oxygen lose to the brain.

Article on Long Range Shooting In Sporting Classics magazine by Ron Spomer

In New Zealand, by Ron Spomer, senior editor, writer, hunter, shooter, gun tester.
Gun-- LAW Professional in 6.5 Creedmore
" One of the biggest changes in hunting during the past 20 years is long range targeting. The perfection of laser rangefinders minimizes the need formagnum speed and trajectories. The SIG BDX [Ballistic Data Exchange ]scope rangefinder bluetooth system not only measures distance to target with angled compensation but also selects the correct sub-reticle for a dead on hold . The BDX system works by entering the ballistic data via a phone app. then pairing scope and laser. The Kilo01800 BDX laser measures the range, then signals the Sierra BDX 4.5 -14x44 mm scope to illuminate the correct aiming point on the reticle. Incredibly easy and precise. After setting up mine, I ranged a target at 405 yards. With bench support the LAW put my 142 grain AccuBond Long Range handload into the one inch bullseye.
On the hunt of course we got perfect on target performance with four one shot kills from 125 yards to 545 yards.
SIG'S BDX system and the LAW Professional rifle aret two winners.

[ in this article, mind you it is not 700 yards plus, but 545 is still long range, and if that is all you are presented with, and you have equipment that will do the job, the 6.5 Creedmore is not a heavy weight, and you have the confidence that you and your equipment are up to the task, you take the shot.]

Speaking of that bonded bullet, it is becoming one of my favorites for it's extremely high B.C. plus consistent expansion and weight retention.

Well. it looks like the REAL GUNSMITH Randy Selby should get with the modern age of hunting and shooting, as has been said, things [equipment] have changed for the better, and it is very possible for good shooters to kill at long range, more than the previous 300-350 yards.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

The brain is part of the CNS, when it shuts down that's it there is no longer brain function, it has nothing to do with blood or oxygen lose to the brain.

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Breaking the spine does not cause brain death and there's a lot of guys in wheelchairs out there to prove that. Even a bullet to the spine directly below the skull does not cause instant brain death. What is witnessed is a loss of consciousness and brain death will come in 12 second or so.

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Originally Posted by oaknut

Breaking the spine does not cause brain death and there's a lot of guys in wheelchairs out there to prove that. Even a bullet to the spine directly below the skull does not cause instant brain death. What is witnessed is a loss of consciousness and brain death will come in 12 second or so.

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Breaking the spine , along with severing the spinal cord = instant death.
[Abnormal movement of neck bones or pieces of bone can cause a spinal cord injury resulting in loss of sensation, paralysis, or usually instant death.]

We [Fire Dept.] were called to a3 vehicle accident, while looking after one of the accident victims , a woman in the least damaged vehicle opened her door to get out, one of the ambulance attendants advised her to stay right where she was as he would get a cervical collar to put one her.
She said she was OK and ignored his advice, she stepped out of her vehicle with us hollering no, no, she stood up and gave her neck a twist.
She was dead when she hit the ground, later on we were told that she severed her spinal column as she had a broken neck, and by twisting that spinal column was severed by the sharp broken bones .
[instant death]

THIS IS FACT, NOT HEAR SAY!

Long Range shooting sure looks just as challenging as getting up close and personal. ???
I personally like to look at them in the eyes........

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Originally Posted by Fox

You told me we could make it 500 but have to move a wagon to get enough height :P

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No I have it set up to shoot off a 3/4 Hay wagon. A) it allows a more comfortable shooting from the prone position and B) it elevates the shooter up 3' so that hitting the 4x4 target panel 500 yds requires less scope adjustments.

The wagon is fixed....it's the target panel (on skids) that can be moved to 300,400, 500 yds.

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Originally Posted by rf2

I'm in too. I'd love to try shooting at that distance. Hopefully I have enough adjustment in my scopes though.

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More than welcome.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Long Range shooting sure looks just as challenging as getting up close and personal. ???
I personally like to look at them in the eyes........

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To each their own , I am not either for nor against it, myself I have had the opportunity a couple of times to take a long shot because it is all I had and I was successful, but I would sooner get as close as possible to make sure I get a good killing shot.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Agree..he's honest and has a good grasp of what is ethical in regards to hunting.

I have a 500 yd range on my property and it's open year round. I've offered it to guys who say they can shoot long range. I get a lot of excuses and they never show up. Haha..

I should call it the 'Put Up or Shut Up' range :)
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Would love to try that out and practice at further distance than usual 100 yards. For one day me more comfortable using the 30-06 and 22-250. Haven't had much range time with them cause getting to the range is so expensive and not worth the year since they are so far looking into cornwall gun club since it's a 10 minute drive from my house but want to see what there longest range is and hopefully it's more than 100 yards.