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Anyone who hunts with a crossbow knows it's not nearly as easy to "unload and case" a crossbow as it is a rifle. Especially one with anti-dry fire. Personally, I have to shoot a decocking arrow from my treestand and then fumble with a bag that catches onto EVERYTHING in the dark and never wants to go on right. If I can do that I think that you can work your action a few times to unload then slip a sock on. Might take you a minute or two. Not to say that there weren't times I might've unintentionally had it cocked or not bagged because I can't put some half-time buzzer over my head. Personally, if you aren't planning on shooting something before/after legal time then I do not care. I hunt archery for black bear, and I'm just going to say it'd be nice to have a loaded 12 gauge walking next to fresh bait in the dark where literal monsters roam.

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Originally Posted by genec

The definition of huntng doesn't say anything about an encased firearm...but does include "lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of," all things we do when we are sitting in a stand or blind.

Add using an Estrus drag, hanging a wick on the way in, liting a scent stick before you go into your blind, sitting over a bait pile...all mean your hunting.

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I asked a CO about this 3 years back when I tagged out early and wanted to take my camera to the stand with me and he said it is all fine because my intent is NOT to hunt/harvest any animals. Animal attraction is not considered hunting - especially when you are armed with a Nikon D330s c/w a heavy Nikkor VR I 70-200 f2.8 and a 1.7 converter. I used a scent stick and a big corn bait pile and I was 100% legal. There is no difference between what I am doing and baiting a game camera?

This thread should be locked - nothing good can come of it. Remember what we were told as kids, "If little Jimmy jumped off the bridge would you"?

https://i.imgur.com/ZUedHwd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HCgDo20.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9eTrJqm.jpg

Well that was entertaining. I for one am not quite the angel some of you are, but have never shot at an animal outside of legal shooting times. I suppose if I was caught climbing out of my stand when my crossbow or rifle was still hanging on the string before I got to it to put it in the case/sock I could be charged. I'll take my chances though and continue to hunt until the last minute.

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Originally Posted by genec

The definition of huntng doesn't say anything about an encased firearm...but does include "lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of," all things we do when we are sitting in a stand or blind.

Add using an Estrus drag, hanging a wick on the way in, liting a scent stick before you go into your blind, sitting over a bait pile...all mean your hunting.

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Whoa,Mike,did you bump your head? What you're describing is "baiting" (legal in Ontario). Without a loaded firearm uncased,all you'd be doing is sitting in the woods...also legal in Onatrio,24/7.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I asked a CO about this 3 years back when I tagged out early and wanted to take my camera to the stand with me and he said it is all fine because my intent is NOT to hunt/harvest any animals. Animal attraction is not considered hunting - especially when you are armed with a Nikon D330s c/w a heavy Nikkor VR I 70-200 f2.8 and a 1.7 converter. I used a scent stick and a big corn bait pile and I was 100% legal. There is no difference between what I am doing and baiting a game camera?

This thread should be locked - nothing good can come of it. Remember what we were told as kids, "If little Jimmy jumped off the bridge would you"?

https://i.imgur.com/ZUedHwd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HCgDo20.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9eTrJqm.jpg

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Those are some awesome pictures there !!!! Thanks..

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Whoa,Mike,did you bump your head? What you're describing is "baiting" (legal in Ontario).

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Actually what I was quoting was the definition of 'Hunting' by the MNR..things that need a 'Hunting License' ergo define what hunting is.

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MNR definition of hunting:
Includes lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed. You need a hunting licence to do any of these things, except where the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997, states otherwise.

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So if you go out into the woods at 5:30 in the morning and chuck a bucket of apples out ( or on existing bait pile) in front of the stand and them go sit in the stand and 'lay in wait' then you are hunting ....and your hunting at night...an illegal activity with a fine of $250.

As per the definition, you don't even need to have a gun (encased or not) to be hunting....the word is 'or' not 'and'.

As was stated earlier, it's a good example of the problems with the definitions that the MNR uses when it's a summary of the FWCA.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Actually what I was quoting was the definition of 'Hunting' by the MNR..things that need a 'Hunting License' ergo define what hunting is.



So if you go out into the woods at 5:30 in the morning and chuck a bucket of apples out ( or on existing bait pile) in front of the stand and them go sit in the stand and 'lay in wait' then you are hunting ....and your hunting at night...an illegal activity with a fine of $250.

As per the definition, you don't even need to have a gun (encased or not) to be hunting....the word is 'or' not 'and'.

As was stated earlier, it's a good example of the problems with the definitions that the MNR uses when it's a summary of the FWCA.

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You have to read the entire definition of hunting in the Definitions section of the FWCA...not the summary.

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You have to read the entire definition of hunting in the Definitions section of the FWCA...not the summary.

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I looked (may have missed it) but it doesn't look like the FWCA defines 'hunting' in regards to licencing..looks like that falls within MNRs responsibility and the definition as quoted. .

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I asked a CO about this 3 years back when I tagged out early and wanted to take my camera to the stand with me and he said it is all fine because my intent is NOT to hunt/harvest any animals. Animal attraction is not considered hunting - especially when you are armed with a Nikon D330s c/w a heavy Nikkor VR I 70-200 f2.8 and a 1.7 converter. I used a scent stick and a big corn bait pile and I was 100% legal. There is no difference between what I am doing and baiting a game camera?

This thread should be locked - nothing good can come of it. Remember what we were told as kids, "If little Jimmy jumped off the bridge would you"?

https://i.imgur.com/ZUedHwd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HCgDo20.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9eTrJqm.jpg

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these are some great pictures man, mind if i save one and use it as a background?

i was big into photography when i was a kid and actually am very interested in taking photos of wildlife, been looking for a good starter camera recently

straight from the regs


Hunting includes lying in wait for, searching
for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing
or shooting at wildlife, whether or not
the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or
harassed. You need a valid hunting licence
to do any of these things, except where the
FWCA states otherwise.