Covid 2nd Wave....fact or fiction

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Seems to me "the opportunity" is more important to them!

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Yeah it sounds like it, what was he was doing all summer. Working on the pandemic while he couldn't talk about the WE scandal's because he was dealing with a pandemic .

What was he really working on destroying small business creating more poverty than ever. 100s of thousands of Canadians are on the brink of loosing there homes not paying rent .

Anyone who took the government hand outs and worked during the rest of the season will be paying next year through taxes. Many don't think about that and just take the free money right. Nope .



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We have another
A toy store in nobelton defies lockdown

https://youtu.be/qoT5BO_DoCA


And in Manitoba they are not even aloud to purchase Christmas items from the store that's open.



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The storms are brewing .

I read a comment today that only 166 death's out side of long term care or nursing home.? Any truth to this that was Canada ?

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Originally Posted by fishfood

The storms are brewing .

I read a comment today that only 166 death's out side of long term care or nursing home.? Any truth to this that was Canada ?

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.... by my estimate based on their numbers, 177 would be about right based on CTV numbers

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Already looked at that, 98.5% were in long term care, 1.5% of fatalities outside them... that would put it at 177 for all of Canada.
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1133359

Rebel was there when he was arrested ... and CBC wasn't let on the property, seems he knows who's side they are on.... but the police had the largest deployment since G-20 including riot horses...

Smoke pot.... that's OK... not smoke meat!!
https://www.rebelnews.com/aftermath_...owner_arrested

ANTIFA,riots, gun crimes .... no problem for the Toronto mayor etc., but standing up for his rights and you get a huge turn out, biggest since G-20. Big stores are open... only attack on small business... I mean atleast 50 police and riot horses....


Etobicoke BBQ restaurant owner arrested, faces 13 charges after defying COVID-19 lockdown orders
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...nged-1.5817090


Another step into the dark for Canada....

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All I can say is ouch

That is kinda Scarry accually when you think of all the other death's on a daily basis. I've seen on my wife's Facebook about 6 deaths all close to someone we know in the last month . Not one was from covid .

We can see 100 overdose a day in Canada on a bad day. Pre pandemic.


Ouch

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So, this has been planned for a long time now. They simply needed a global event to distract and execute it. Hundreds of agents have been trained and have infiltrated governments. Sounds like science fiction or a B-rated movie right? Think again.

Our dear deputy prime minister is that person. And holds the keys to the public purse to spend without any accountability. Billions of dollars spent under the "emergency act". I am not a conspiracy theorist but like following the money trail.

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We have all heard the recent speeches from JT on the global reset. This ties it all in.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

So in this case , would it be the city who asked for the lockdown, or the Provincial Conservative government who pulled the plug? These lock downs are not mandated by the federal government, ......yet.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

My guess would be the province as the power to issue orders resides with the Medical officer of Health in any given region regardless of where the lock down request comes from. The MOH receives their funding regionally within the province but their power comes from provincial legislation. My guess is that if a suit were ever launched though it would name every level of government as the modus operandi is to throw darts at everyone and see what sticks. The provincial Emergency Act also plays into things.

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Apparently the lawsuit is already under way and was actually launched in the summer. As i speculated they're suing everybody under the guise of a charter challenge:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/coron...enge-1.5680988

From the article:

The legal action is a challenge under Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms to the country's pandemic response measures, including compulsory face masks, the closure of businesses and the enforcement of physical distancing.

The plaintiffs are suing the governments of Canada and Ontario, the City of Toronto, senior politicians, a number of local Ontario health authorities, health officials and the CBC over their response to the pandemic.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Well, they be a bunch of very under worked medical staff...

No one dies of "Covid' ..they die because Covid exacerbates preexisting medical problems like Diabetes, COPD, pneumonia etc..etc.

VERY VERY few HEALTHY people have died of Covid

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To add to my earlier post about the health of who are dying with Covid...

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What lives are being lost to COVID?

The older, those with underlying diseases, those with weak immune systems. Of the more than 9,500 people in Canada who succumbed to COVID in the first wave, between March and July, 90 per cent had at least one other cause, condition or complication reported on the death certificate, according to Statistics Canada.

Dementia or Alzheimer’s, the most common conditions associated with COVID-involved deaths, were listed on the death certificate of 42 per cent of women, and 33 per cent of men. More than half of seniors aged 80 and older living in long term care have dementia.

Cancer, nervous system disorders like Parkinson’s or ALS, respiratory disease, diabetes, kidney failure, heart disease, high blood pressure and pneumonia — all increase the risk of a lethal case of COVID. All are more common among people aged 65 and older, who accounted for 94 per cent of all COVID-involved deaths in the first wave. But they also affect millions of Canadians. Some three million are living with diabetes, more than seven million with hypertension.

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Only 2.3% of deaths – 11 people – were otherwise healthy persons, dying without any underlying conditions. And those 11 include people who were very advanced in age.

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Like was said before, most of those dying in LTC, have DNR orders. Many more seniors could have been saved if not for those orders. I do not know if people are aware but LTC is not just for old people. They used to be called 'Homes for the aged". When I started in LTC 95% of the residents were over the age of 75. When I left over 30 years later about 40% were over 75. The rest was made up with younger people, some as young as 21, they do not have DNR orders. Why? Mike Harris and the conservative government cut funding for group homes, that looked after the younger crowd in need. They had to be moved into LTC because it was less expensive. We had many semi-private rooms, where one resident was 90 years old the other in the room was 25. For some residents of LTC , they are there to die. For many others they are there to live. If you enter a LTC facility in your 20's ,that could be your home for 40 years. When I first started in the early 80's the average length of stay was 8 months. When I retired half of the residents in our home , were younger than I was. They will still be living in the home ( LTC), long after I have perished.

Then there is the inconvenient truth...It was the Liberal government's 'Canada Health and Social Transfer (CHST) that lead to those decisions...

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The funding streams for social care–oriented home support and health-oriented home care were merged by Mike Harris’s Ontario Conservative government in the aftermath of the Canada Health and Social Transfer (CHST) created by the 1995 federal budget.

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Canada Health and Social Transfer
Introduced in the 1995 federal budget by Finance Minister Paul Martin to replace the existing 1977 Established Programs Financing Act and the Canada Assistance Plan of 1966, the Canada Health and Social Transfer (CHST) was a block fund transfer from the federal government to the provinces to support national standards in social programs. Jean Chrétien’s government implemented the CHST in 1996 as part of its deficit reduction policy because federal transfers to the provinces amounted to one-quarter of total federal spending. As with Established Programs Financing, the amount of CHST was determined by a combination of tax-point transfers and cash payments, but it let the provinces determine how to allocate the funds among health care and other social programs. Critics charged that the combination of a reduction in federal transfer payments and the lack specific allocations of funds under the CHST hurt medicare by not requiring provinces to maximize the efficiency of their health care programs or adequately fund them. The federal government defended the CHST by arguing that the provisions of the Canada Health Act maintained national standards by enabling the federal government to withhold cash transfers under the CHST from any province violating the provisions of the act. But in the 2003 budget, in response to provincial concerns, the federal government split the CHST into the Canada Health Transfer and the Canada Social Transfer which were implemented in 2004 to increase transparency and accountability

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