Moose Points are now posted

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

Not true, there could be guys that apply with more points that previously applied in other units. Don’t assume that hunters won’t get fed up where they normally apply and end up switching units.

After the first couple of years, reality is going to set in for many hunters that they, or their group, may never draw a tag on their preffered unit. If they want a tag they will have to switch units.

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This is true Sam, but I am also hoping the "high pointers" will pull tags in the first year or two and things will settle out once they reset back to zero. We figure there are only one or two guys with high point scores in our group and they will be at zero once they draw the tag. Then most guys are evened out within a point or two.

This new system requires a solid understanding of how it works, then it requires people to meet and discuss best options. For those who are moaning about having to buy into the draw for 30 years before they draw a tag to hunt to alone in a popular unit, well...tough. Moose are big. If you want to hunt alone, hunt deer.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

So if I start applying for a tag this year in WMU 48 in about 30 years from 2050 I should have enough points to get one. :)

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The idea is that the population will come up because all the babies are not being killed off, that should allow for a greater harvest of adult animals down the road and a reduced number of points.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The idea is that the population will come up because all the babies are not being killed off, that should allow for a greater harvest of adult animals down the road and a reduced number of points.

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Exactly. Likely won't see the payoff in my lifetime or for guys older than me, but for the ones just starting out or that have been hunting less than 20 years, it should make for a more sustainable herd for years to come(if they don't change the system again)

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Originally Posted by dilly

This new system requires a solid understanding of how it works, then it requires people to meet and discuss best options.

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Being mobile year to year and flexible about hunting locations as a group will also become more important again. This will be hard on established camps south of The French river. I also think it could discourage new hunters. Why on earth would a southern moose group want a first year hunter now?

A parent who was looking forward to going moose hunting with his/her teenage kids at a legacy camp would likely see this as the end of the road.....those people are all going to need to get back to heading well North and camping.

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Originally Posted by cantgetright

Exactly. Likely won't see the payoff in my lifetime or for guys older than me, but for the ones just starting out or that have been hunting less than 20 years, it should make for a more sustainable herd for years to come(if they don't change the system again)

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The thing is, the older hunters most likely have more money than the younger hunters, so the point of being able to get to a more remote area to hunt.

There will always be places in Ontario that you would be able to use a point or 2 to get at a bull, just have to make a long trip to do it.

If you can drive there it will take more points to get a tag.

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Originally Posted by outdoorlife

Why on earth would a southern moose group want a first year hunter now?

A parent who was looking forward to going moose hunting with his/her teenage kids at a legacy camp would likely see this as the end of the road.....

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I think that is shallow and short-sighted thinking. Young people are good for dogging and packing out meat. The enjoyment comes from being with your kids anyway and watching them learn and participate. If a guy draws a tag, first-year people can still chip in and hunt in the group.

I’m not saying I am a huge fan of the new system yet, but there are lots of things I won’t miss with the old system. Seemed like tons of shenanigans used to go on and the management logic of “calves don’t survive much, so go ahead and shoot them” didn’t ever make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The thing is, the older hunters most likely have more money than the younger hunters, so the point of being able to get to a more remote area to hunt.

There will always be places in Ontario that you would be able to use a point or 2 to get at a bull, just have to make a long trip to do it.

If you can drive there it will take more points to get a tag.

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They may have more money than the younger guys but 90% or more of the older guys that I hunted with once they get north of 65 aren't as keen to do a 20 hour trip anymore. Usually a couple die hards though. For me it just makes more sense to go the 8 hours to where we have private property to hunt with a cabin to stay in. If we draw a tag, great, if not, oh well we go up for a bird hunt like we did last year and just look at the moose we have on camera.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That's apparently the way the system is designed. Several posters commented that Calf tag was an alternative. Possibly,but,bear in mind that the calf season has been tremendously reduced to a one week period in most WMU's in the south. Not many crews will want to ramp up a hunt for calves only and need to travel to a different WMU moving their entire camp in order to do so in a two week time slot in the north. This is starting to look fairly intricate when we start to peel off the layers a lot like peeling an onion.

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One tag choice is calf/cow, not sure how that’s going to play out.

All in all-many asked what will be the points this year to get a tag.
My guess is: the number of points needed ina WMU/bull or cow will be the Guaranteed Group size from 2020 plus 1 -2 more points.
For the many areas NO Guarantee in 2020 -You can prepare Yourself if simply divide number of applicant in 2020 versus number of tags(bull or cow)available in 2020,then ADD 1-2 points to it.

I think this will put You in ballpark.

MNRF has to work with something.......... last year numbers would be a good benchmark for them.

I do not believe they have anything different to work with ,anyway.

Can anyone explain how the northern resident point works?

"continues to provide Northern resident hunters with a small preference by receiving one additional (non-accumulating) point"