Where hunters should aim in discussing Bill C-21 on gun control

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Originally Posted by impact

History shows that military small arms tend to migrate into civilian hands after a while due in part to affordability, availability and familiarity with the firearm. The ammunition that is mass produced and easily available helps in making them popular.
Examples would be the Lee Enfield 303, M1 Garand 308, Browning BAR 30-06 to name a few.

They are used stock for hunting or somewhat customized for individual tastes.
Shooting at the range is popular with them as well.
This has been done for over 100 years.

So, with the trend to synthetic stocks and materials over the last couple of decades what has made the Liberals so terrified of a black color firearm enjoyed by law abiding sportsmen that they need to be immediately banned from ownership.

Makes no sense unless they are terrified of the population.
They should be more concerned with banning tar and feathers because this is what is coming at them now like a freight train.

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Many, many examples, Swiss 7.5s, Swedish, Turk, German Mausers, Mosin Nagant, Ljungman even the old Remington 700 has been used by the military. Even .22 rifles for training, I know someone that has a Mauser .22 rifle with Israeli proof mark so it has definitely travelled around.
https://frontierfirearms.ca/firearms...us-rifles.html
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/produits/64
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/produits/95?page=16 * sporterized mil sup


It makes sense actually if you remember the "Reset" or "Realignment" as they decided to start to refer to it if you were watching the Liberal policy meetings at all and the kind of government that is admired by PM dopey socks, remember when asked his favourite government his answer was China. Trudeau admires a dictatorship that has killed tens of millions, would build military bases in the South China sea, put a million in reeducation camps and their atrocities and send tanks to run over hundreds and probably thousands of students etc. and the Tru-Anon crowd seem to accept a dictatorship and oppression without questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZHUhfmlzXk


As for bulk ammo... :moose: :moose: :moose:
https://frontierfirearms.ca/ammunition/ammo-specials/


P.S.
I realized I had forgot some of the lies that the LIbErals and Justlied did on firearms. So to summarize:
1) Would never ban - lied
2) Authorization to Transport - lied
3) Requirements to get a firearm - lied
4) Who commits crime with a firearm - lied
5) Respects Canadians - lied
6) Tough on crime - lied
... oh heck if Justlied is talk he's lying, just look at COVID too. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3684264751664562
Start with the reality you can't trust them.

Lie, Repeat and lie and repeat, Trudeau and LIbErals use fear and lies on many things but especially on firearms, the Tru-Anon crowd won't care though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Gs_mwWmTk&feature=emb_logo



MANY MORE LIBERAL LIES CAN BE FOUND HERE
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1156358
and HERE
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1151424

* Caps so people can notice and check out and be informed on the lies.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

There is a mentality among some gun owners that any government that bans a few guns wants to ban them all and any individual who does not furiously object to every restriction on gun ownership wants to ban all guns.

For the past 40 years I have listened to these types thunder on about "civilian disarmament." Then I open my safe door and conclude that if "civilian disarmament" were truly a government objective they are doing a piss poor job of it.

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There are a few on here that moan and groan about everything and anything, its their default position.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

There is a mentality among some gun owners that any government that bans a few guns wants to ban them all and any individual who does not furiously object to every restriction on gun ownership wants to ban all guns.

For the past 40 years I have listened to these types thunder on about "civilian disarmament." Then I open my safe door and conclude that if "civilian disarmament" were truly a government objective they are doing a piss poor job of it.

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There is no basis for what they are banning and the lack of knowledge of where the actual gun crime is coming from. If he wanted to ban the guns that were used in mass shootings in Canada the ban should not have had the AR-15, anything over a 20mm bore, airguns that look like real guns, airsoft that look like real guns, 120 year old shotguns, bolt action hunting rifles.

The facts are that Billy and Justin have no idea what the gun laws are in Canada and watch way too much US news and TV shows. If you take gang related shootings in Canada people are most often shot with run of the mill hunting rifles and shotguns, this is because that is what Canadians have. The AR-15 is the most popular arm in the US, that is why it is used in shootings, here it is generally suicides and then domestics, both situations where our laws pre C-21 has provisions to stop. If you are aware of a domestic violence potential the person can be reported and the guns can be taken. This can also happen in the case of mental health problems.

Another fact, there have been more military veterans that have committed suicide than Canadians killed in mass shootings, yet funnel the money from helping them into stopping people from playing airsoft or punching paper at their local club.

Yes, the ban makes no sense. Best not to put black composite stocks on your old Lee Enfield.
With its rate of fire in the range of 20 to 30 rounds per minute and in the hands of a trained marksman it is sure to be banned by Billy Liar.
Scary looking you know. The paid trolls are sure to report this as being a problem....lol

"These design features facilitate rapid cycling and fire compared to other bolt-action designs like the Mauser. The Lee bolt-action and 10-round magazine capacity enabled a well-trained rifleman to perform the "mad minute" firing 20 to 30 aimed rounds in 60 seconds, making the Lee–Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army—Sergeant Instructor Snoxall—who placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide (300 mm) target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Enfield

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Originally Posted by Fox

There is no basis for what they are banning and the lack of knowledge of where the actual gun crime is coming from. If he wanted to ban the guns that were used in mass shootings in Canada the ban should not have had the AR-15, anything over a 20mm bore, airguns that look like real guns, airsoft that look like real guns, 120 year old shotguns, bolt action hunting rifles.

The facts are that Billy and Justin have no idea what the gun laws are in Canada and watch way too much US news and TV shows. If you take gang related shootings in Canada people are most often shot with run of the mill hunting rifles and shotguns, this is because that is what Canadians have. The AR-15 is the most popular arm in the US, that is why it is used in shootings, here it is generally suicides and then domestics, both situations where our laws pre C-21 has provisions to stop. If you are aware of a domestic violence potential the person can be reported and the guns can be taken. This can also happen in the case of mental health problems.

Another fact, there have been more military veterans that have committed suicide than Canadians killed in mass shootings, yet funnel the money from helping them into stopping people from playing airsoft or punching paper at their local club.

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I don't disagree with a single point you've made. However, the government's new legislation, as muddled and silly as it is, does not mean the government intends to ban "all guns" nor does it suggest that a hunter who is unperturbed by the prohibitions also wants to ban "all guns."

Hunter or not, why would anyone support something that is "muddled and silly?"
Bad laws should not be ignored and must be challenged.

Case in point, the recent stay at home order with roadside random checks fiasco. Does not affect me so I stay quiet? Absolutely not!
The Liberals are snakes in the grass. Can't trust or believe anything they say. History proves this.

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Originally Posted by impact

Hunter or not, why would anyone support something that is "muddled and silly?"
Bad laws should not be ignored and must be challenged.

Case in point, the recent stay at home order with roadside random checks fiasco. Does not affect me so I stay quiet? Absolutely not!
The Liberals are snakes in the grass. Can't trust or believe anything they say. History proves this.

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Because some hunters might believe getting assault-style rifles out of general circulation is a positive particularly if they don't own one. Or like me they don't care because the firearms they own and use are not affected and don't buy into the conspiracy theory nonsense of "civilian disarmament" or "your guns are next!"

A bad law that doesn't affect me is easy to ignore.

A really selfish attitude to have in regards to supporting other firearm owners.
Assault style rifles is simply fear mongering. It could also apply to any former military firearm.
The list just does not make sense.
Can you provide the name of a group or organization of hunters supporting such a ban?
Otherwise it is your opinion only.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

I don't disagree with a single point you've made. However, the government's new legislation, as muddled and silly as it is, does not mean the government intends to ban "all guns" nor does it suggest that a hunter who is unperturbed by the prohibitions also wants to ban "all guns."

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There has been a gun/ammo shortage in the US since they elected a leader back in 2009, to be the most powerful man on earth, that was quoted as saying:

https://i.imgur.com/sHjjMZBm.jpg

The US citizenry saw that as a threat to their civil liberties and began to stock up in defiance of those beliefs.

If it wasn't for the efforts of organisations like the NRA and in Canada the CSSA / CCFR that fight for the right of citizens to own firearms and to hold protest against these actions, they might well be bought to fruition. Any action to ban guns without merit or cause, is a reason for the citizens to revolt against such actions.

https://i.imgur.com/qUBXJJfm.jpg

It's amazing how you claim you like firearms , yet you could care less if they were banned.

I guess you don't remember that technically firearms are completely illegal in Canada because of the Liberals and this PAL system. Prior to 1995 Firearms were legal in Canada. We have proven time and time again if you give an inch they want a mile.

Also pretty selfish to say doesn't affect me so I could care less. Wow it's because of people like you that firearms will be pretty much gone by the time my grand kids grow up.

I have seen enough changes over 35 years to show that is true.

Out of curiosity if I put an assault style stock on my gun do you believe it becomes super powerful. Are these other guns super powerful?

My son's 22 rim fire if we had purchased the military looking version did you know that was banned. Same gun different stock.

You seem like the type of person that when you start to have something taken away from you I would probably look at you and laugh and call you a joke. I honestly would your an extremely selfish person.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Because some hunters might believe getting assault-style rifles out of general circulation is a positive particularly if they don't own one. Or like me they don't care because the firearms they own and use are not affected and don't buy into the conspiracy theory nonsense of "civilian disarmament" or "your guns are next!"

A bad law that doesn't affect me is easy to ignore.

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