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Man you're losing it, that's my quote...I clarified I didn't specifically target smokers and clearly said "or drinkers"..."Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Give it up Mark..., your wrong to even suggest that an unvaccinated covid patient is taking beds away for ICU patients...it hasn't and won't happen unless the triage determines which one will get palliative care...that's how the system works.
BREAKING -- Moderna shot now halted in Sweden for those 20 or younger: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...91-och-senare/
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Mike whatever .... "or drinkers" lol ... you are completely missing the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I said what if someone who needs an operation can't because ICU is full ... you go straight to smokers or drinkers ...
Then you object when I only refer to the "smokers" part ... and say no, no, no ... I said "smokers OR DRINKERS" What a stupid play on words.
You're definitely losing it man ... I honestly can't believe I'm having this conversation.
And right now, believe what you want, but in Ontario the stats say MOST (as in 86%) of the people in ICU with COVID, are unvaccinated.
So give it up ... go on, tell me the data is a lie, post the "internet news" you believe in ... because I know, if it doesn't fit what's in your head ... there's no
conversation to be had.
What a joke ... I thought you were a guy that can look at information, and have a civil conversation ... and here we are. You've put me against you ... absolutely insane.
You've not comprehended anything in this conversation, and you blame me...HaHa..Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Just carry on thinking that it's unfair to have ICU beds occupied with un-vaccinated covide patients...that's all we need to know about the kind of person you're are.
and here's your quote so you're not confused:
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Originally Posted by MarkB
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Health Canada better do the right thing here, the Village Idiots fixation to get 100% vaccinated will have to take a back seat to public safety. Take Moderna out of the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushwhacker
Mean while...time for the booster !!
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While protection against hospitalizations remained consistent over the course of the study, protection against Covid-19 infections dropped over time.
Effectiveness against infections was 88% during the first month after a person was vaccinated, but dropped to 47% after five months, according to the study. The authors said that the spread of the Delta variant wasn’t responsible for the drop in efficacy against infection over time.
We have to remember that 20% of the population between 50 and 70 are not vaxxed. Between this age is the average of needing an ICU.
It could totally be the vaxxed having the lower ICU at the moment but a small portion of the total population.
New Brunswick nobody under 20 is in the hospital blaming the unvaccinated is a large group under 20. They are obviously not the problem.
Chatham Kent a few weeks back they are fully with 16 Covid cases 5 on ICU the average age was 61 years old.
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Yes, and what is wrong with that hypothetical question MIKE???Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
How do you deduce that I have not comprehended anything from that question, MIKE? Big words ... like I'm some kind of idiot or something.
Is my question too tough to answer without referring to smokers or alcoholics (to get the sympathy vote for your stance)?
What I believe does not matter. It's a hypothetical question that many are thinking about ... so bury your head in the sand if you want and pretend
that isn't on the minds of many vaccinated people. Whether it is right or wrong, that is the current thinking and mentality that needs to be contented with.
But no ... let's argue whether you said smokers or smokers AND drinkers ... to completely divert attention from the question I asked ... because you have no good answer.
I ask a valid hypothetic question, that is tough to answer ... and suddenly I am a fear mongerer, and don't understand anything ... lol. WOW.
Like I said, if it doesn't suit your story, end of conversation.
If you care ... you'd be treating this as if we were having a conversation around a camp fire ... respectfully, asking questions, even challenging our own thoughts.
When you get stuck in your own version of events ... welp, you may as well just talk to yourself in a mirror ... you'll not learn anything, but you'll probably be comfortable.
Nick Karl, Pfizer Scientist: “When somebody is naturally immune -- like they got COVID -- they probably have more antibodies against the virus…When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus…So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination.”
Chris Croce, Pfizer Senior Associate Scientist: “You’re protected for longer” if you have natural COVID antibodies compared to the COVID vaccine.
Croce: “I work for an evil corporation…Our organization is run on COVID money.”
Rahul Khandke, Pfizer Scientist: “If you have [COVID] antibodies built up, you should be able to prove that you have those built up.”
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/...e-vaccination/
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Originally Posted by MarkB
..your words not mine..:)
A week after Ontario made a similar recommendation....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushwhacker
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...date-1.6193455
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'Mild risk' prompts Ontario to recommend Pfizer over Moderna for those aged 18-24
CBC News· Posted: Sep 29, 2021 10:48 AM ET
An increase in cases of a rare heart condition in young adults who have received the COVID-19 Moderna vaccines has prompted Ontario to recommend the Pfizer-BioNTech shots for those aged 18 to 24 "out of an abundance of caution."
The province says the rise of myocarditis and pericarditis cases has been particularly observed among men in that age group. Between June and August, the province says the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for men aged 18 to 24 following a second dose of Moderna was one in 5,000. There have been no fatalities.
"I'm not holding any facts back, there is a risk," said Dr. Kieran Moore, Ontario's chief medical officer of health.
In comparison, the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis for people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was one in 28,000.
However, Moore stressed that Moderna's elevated risk is "very mild" and that two of his three young sons are in the 18-24 age range and both received the vaccine with "no concerns."
"Moderna is an excellent product," he said. "I've complete confidence in in it"
The province's recommendation is preferential and people can still take the Moderna vaccine if they choose to.
The risk of a heart condition from the vaccine is still substantially lower than the risk of a heart condition should a person contract COVID-19, Moore explained.
Only two in every 100,000 people experience the side effect, Moore said. And they typically recover quickly with "simple over-the-counter medications like ibuprofen," he said. There have been no hospitalizations and no fatalities.
Meanwhile, Moore said 11 in every 100,000 people contract "moderate to severe" COVID-19 and "often end up needing hospitalization." He said that between 10 and 20 per cent of those people requiring hospitalization have heart inflammation.
While Moore said he had personal concerns that the province's recommendation might make some people even more vaccine hesitant, he felt it was necessary to build public trust.
"I hope the public will realize we're trying to be as transparent as possible."