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I thought they tore that Commie wall down in 1989.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBen
Cormie, but perhaps a red r is suitable or not as the case may be.
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I might liken getting a hunt passed for Mutes (any swan) to the same for hunting Cormies. Theres going to be a lot of opposition (brick walls) I have to beleive.
I will put my back up on this one. NO MORE COURSES. so basically our training systems are so useless we have to re-train bowhunters to qualify for a controlled hunt. That dog dont hunt from where I stand to coin a phrase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Hello Guys,
A quick response to your comments (52 to 59):
1) Jaycee ... obviously some people do not belong in the field with a gun.
2) Fenelon ... I agree with you that some areas should be a "No Swan Hunt Zone" to prevent what you have described ... good point. However Long Point is one example where a limited Tundra Swan hunt could take place as every hunter has to "register in" as well as "check out" with their birds.
3) Drake Mallard ... a limited Sandhill Crane season may not be too far away.
4) Turkey Rookie ... see my comment to Drake Mallard above.
5) Dead Ringer ... I agree with a "Swan Hunter Course" if you want to apply for a tag.
6) Dyth Bringer ... when we get a limited Tundra Swan season you can come down to Long Point and I will show you the swans from my backyard that extends into the inner bay.
7) Dyth Bringer ... exactly ... a "Swan Hunter Course" is reasonable.
8) Dead Ringer ... a "Swan Identification" section should be part of Hunter Training in this Province.
Thanks again to all of you for your interest.
Jerome
I commend you Jerome not only for your persistence and dedication to this cause but for the mature manner you have addressed those with opposing views. This thread (with the exception of the usual suspects) is a fine example of healthy debate and your efforts have kept it civil and constructive.
In my opinion it's not a straight forward "united we stand, divided we fall" topic as some have suggested. The issues of identification and protecting sensitive areas are valid and have been presented well. My initial concerns of the quality of the meat have been addressed (until I can actually try some for myself that is) and my comment about the "anti's"....well, they will always be there.
Good luck with this endeavour.
Mike
No our training systems aren't useless but that was the price the city asked for so that the non-hunting public was assured there wasn't irresponsible bowhunters out there during the city cull. It is dumb but sometimes compromises must be made to achieve the end result.Quote:
Originally Posted by bardern
I am not trying to get your back up on this barden. I am simply trying to find a way the guys who have posted objections in this thread about mis-identifying a trumpter swan for a tundra to get behind this proposal. While your proposal is sound in getting a swan ID part of the hunter's course (as well as the turkey course being a part of it), licensed hunters who may want to hunt swans shouldn't have to redo the entire hunter's course. My suggest about a separate swan course covers guys in that group.
Dyth
Hello Guys,
A quick response to your comments:
However since many of your comments and questions have already been addressed I will limit my response to the follwoing selected posts.
1) Dyth Bringer ... your comment to Dead Ringer (Post 61) was excellent and so very true ... the swan hunters will (without any doubt) be held to a higher standard and any mistake will be exploited to the full extent possible.
Note: Each new Tundra Swan season is only granted for an initial three (3) year period after which time it is reviewed as per the quidelines within the management plan.
2) Dyth Bringer ... your comment to me (Post 62) was very valid. I have previously suggested that an actual course could be given by Long Point Waterfowl on Swan Identification regarding the removal of the Mute Swan from the List of Protected Species but the idea was dismissed as not being required as I have indicated before. However after giving this issue additional consideration I have decided that your suggestion for a mandatory "hands on" course should be the way to go due to your comments to Dead Ringer (Post 61) and my response above.
Note: We cannot afford a "screw up" by any swan hunter in those first three years and preferably anytime after that.
3) Blasted Saber ... your question regarding the Mue Swan (Post 69) was probably sufficiently answered by Fenelon (Post 76). Dr. S. Petrie has written several articles regarding the Mute Swan and he provided me with copies of these articles as reference material in 2010 for my Proposal to Remove the Mute Swan from the List of Protected Species (see my separate thread on this). He advised me at that time that the Mute Swan should not have been added to the list since it was established specifically for indigenous wildlife species only ... the Mute Swan is an invasive species.
4) Dead Ringer ... the concern that you raised (Post 71) should not be an issue. A swan tag is valid for one swan ... adult (white) or juvenile (greyish-white) although most American swan hunters will take an adult swan in order to mount their bird. You could potentially have a trophy mount as well as great tasting meat if you harvested a young adult swan (1 1/2 year old). Since a mature Tundra Swan will not breed before two years of age (maybe three) you could select a young adult by harvesting a "white" bird without any juveniles with it.
Note: Thank you for starting a new thread regarding "waterfowl identification" courses.
5) One Less Arrow ... your compliment (Post 73) was much appreciated and I thank you for your support.
6) Fenelon ... your comments regarding the Mute Swan (Post 76) were funny and I had quite a laugh reading them.
7) J Ben ... do not confuse the Tundra Swan with the Cormorant ... one is a large migratory game bird (under the Migratory Game Bird Act) and the other is a "large greedy sea bird" (dictionary description).
8) Mad Mike ... your compliment (Post 85) was much appreciated and I thank you for your support.
Thanks again to all of you for your interest.
Jerome
Hello Guys,
A special response to Dyth Bringer's last comment (Post 86).
1) A limited Tundra Swan season in the Province of Ontario will be a very special season for very dedicated "waterfowlers" who are willing to go "the extra mile".
2) A limited Tundra Swan season in the Province of Ontario will only happen with the support from as many "waterfowlers" as possible.
3) A limited Tundra Swan season in the Province of Ontario will only happen with the "acceptance" of it by those individuals who do not "support" it.
4) A limited Tundra Swan season in the Province of Ontario will only continue beyond the initial three (3) year trial period if it "works" without additional opposition to it.
Consequently we will need to get as many individuals "on board" as possible and for that reason I agree with Dyth Bringer's suggestion for a "hands on" course for "swan hunters" if possible.
Since the initial three (3) year trial period may not be "province wide" in nature then a "hands on" course may be "doable". However I am not sure how we could eventually accommodate individuals living everywhere in the province. How could they take the course if it was not available locally before travelling to that part of the province where the Tundra Swan season was open?
As it stands now we have no Tundra Swan season so any season with restrictions is better than what we currently have.
Thanks again to all of you for your interest.
Jerome
Sorry Jerome but as soon as you bring (another) coarse into the mix I will be out!!! I will still support your efforts but I WILL NOT take another money grabbing coarse and I'm afraid if its mandatory to have to take a coarse to hunt swans you may never have enough support to gain a season!!!! Good luck!
I think what would be acceptable to some people and myself is a compulsory "Free" online course.
There is no reason the OFAH could not have their programmers develop an online computer course for waterfowl indentification. Approx time to develop such a course is maybe 1 month at month maybe 2 months if they have to work it amongst other objectives. (I'm a programmer and do this for a living).
I'm not a graphics designer, I build web based database applications. A simple database could be developed in 1 - 2 weeks the programming portion would be the easiest, graphics and instructions and so forth.
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