License Sales Down

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

W.T.H. are you talking about?...... I am just saying if you have to continually poach fish and game to feed your family you should move to an area with employment , not steal our game, forever...... Do you see anything wrong with that statement?

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Steal "your" game? Buddy, if I was starving, the animal I harvest to feed myself would be "my" game, not yours. And I would do it in a heartbeat with nary a concern for your feelings or emotions on the issue.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

What....
Gas is $0.3-0.5 cheaper here than the city
Hydro cost's the same
We don't pay for water
People burn propane (Gas) instead of piped in gas
I pay the same for internet/phone service as the townies...even have Fiber optic service.
Food more expensive ? Same stores here as in the city and I bet you drive to get your groceries too...

Have any more unfounded notions ?

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You aren't far enough into the sticks then. I moved from Fergus to the rural area around Markdale and I can tell you his post sure applies to my costs. Everything went up compared to living in the city.

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Originally Posted by DanO

You aren't far enough into the sticks then. I moved from Fergus to the rural area around Markdale and I can tell you his post sure applies to my costs. Everything went up compared to living in the city.

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That's what I was thinking too? Are we talking about the real sticks as in like Pickle Lake or are we talking about the sticks as in 40 minutes outside of downtown Toronto like Milton or Whitby?

If we're talking about the real sticks then yes land is cheaper, but cost of living is not, especially if you want to keep a similar lifestyle.


And on topic, if licence sales keep dipping they're sure to raise that new BS Surcharge to make up for the shortfall in their budget.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

W.T.H. are you talking about?...... I am just saying if you have to continually poach fish and game to feed your family you should move to an area with employment , not steal our game, forever...... Do you see anything wrong with that statement?

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You don't realise how poor some of the poor in Canada are...and many of those are "working poor" not on welfare. To move to a city to find a job costs money that they don't have, and unless you have someone you can stay with in the city, where are you going to stay? A homeless shelter. Your posts show you are completely out of touch with what the poor are faced with.

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

Steal "your" game? Buddy, if I was starving, the animal I harvest to feed myself would be "my" game, not yours. And I would do it in a heartbeat with nary a concern for your feelings or emotions on the issue.

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I did not say 'my game', I said 'our game', and IT IS, 'our game', not, 'your game' to harvest as you see fit. If you steal 'our game' then you should be charged. If you must do it continually then you should move. A poacher is a poacher no matter who he feeds.

So..... are those having this discussion, OK with people with no means of support harvesting 'OUR' wild game whenever they get hungry, for as long as it takes for them to get a job? Why just those up north, what about those living in the south, should they not be able to shoot a deer, lets say in Oshawa, because they are hungry?

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

You don't realise how poor some of the poor in Canada are...and many of those are "working poor" not on welfare. To move to a city to find a job costs money that they don't have, and unless you have someone you can stay with in the city, where are you going to stay? A homeless shelter. Your posts show you are completely out of touch with what the poor are faced with.

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So you are OK with people shooting deer with no regards to regulations, because they are 'working poor'. For how long , a once off , or a couple of deer a year forever?

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Originally Posted by OldNewGuy

At the risk of posting "on track" (sorry!), I believe the statement in OOD is likely the correct one - older participants (fewer every year), lots of $$$ to participate (never mind gear or licence fees, have you looked at food + hotel/motel or B&B prices lately in Ontario?), lack of time, unavailability of land, etc.

On a personal basis, I didn't get out to the deer camp this year, for the first time in ages. Reasons: primarily, other commitments at work (I travel), but even if that wasn't the issue, times are tight, job security is dicey or so it seems so I, like others, decided to hunker down and save. Retail sales are down, reflective of these factors (reported, IIRC, that 2015 yearly sales were down approx 3% +/- overall). Increased hunting licence fees. Most of all, as mentioned elsewhere, lack of available land.

I used to hunt on relative's farms 70 Km north of Kitchener about an hour from my home, lots of deer eating/browsing crop stubble and harvest drops in the old days prior to shotgun only season. None of the kids (my cousins) wanted to keep farming, so the land was sold and the new folks aren't partial to hunters on the land (their right, and I respect them for it even though I mourn the loss). Now I need to drive close to 300 Km to the Perth area to join up with a friend's hunt camp. Great times, but I yearn for something within a 2 hour drive, not a 4 hour drive.

BTW - I am not unhappy if I don't bag a deer, or bear. A big part of what I go out for is the chance to enjoy nature, the sights/sounds/smells, and forget about the world for a week. If I fill my tag, it's a bonus.

OK - back off the rails LOL.

O.N.G.

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Good post.

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Originally Posted by x_xeon_x

That's what I was thinking too? Are we talking about the real sticks as in like Pickle Lake or are we talking about the sticks as in 40 minutes outside of downtown Toronto like Milton or Whitby?

If we're talking about the real sticks then yes land is cheaper, but cost of living is not, especially if you want to keep a similar lifestyle.


And on topic, if licence sales keep dipping they're sure to raise that new BS Surcharge to make up for the shortfall in their budget.

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Isn't the idea of moving to the "sticks" to change ones lifestyle?

There will always be tradeoffs, but this something I suspect who live and work in the cities truly don't understand, appreciate or really comprehend. Those who work in industries where certain things are taken for granted, don't understand.

There are tradeoffs, somethings will be more expensive. Just look at gas and based on recent post Ive seen on FB from friends.
SW Ont is paying give or take 5-8 cents....0.70/litre
Niagara/St Catheriens....0.80/litre
Durham region....0.90/litre
Northern Ont, like the Soo, TB or Timmins? $1.00?

However, I doubt many will argue that the city is on par, or cheaper over all.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

What....

Gas is $0.3-0.5 cheaper here than the city

(R) This all depends on where you live in the sticks,I can get gas in Peterborough 10cents cheaper than in Toronto but once I get to Bancroft its more than Toronto.That is just a fact.
Hydro cost's the same

(R) Hydro rates in the sticks are more expensive,you also have a monthly minimum and are charged for "line Loss" .

We don't pay for water

(R) No you don,t directly but you do pay get the well drilled,put in a pump,dig the trench and pump the water on a ongoing basis.

People burn propane (Gas) instead of piped in gas

(R) Propane is more expensive than natural gas hands down,you also have delivery costs.

I pay the same for internet/phone service as the townies...even have Fiber optic service.

(R) Many places you cannot get service at all, when you do get it its spotty and ALWAYS more expensive.

Food more expensive ? Same stores here as in the city and I bet you drive to get your groceries too...

(R) Its more expensive and there is less choice,that,s because of economy of scale.More transportation costs.

Have any more unfounded notions ?

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I have answered all your strange notions,I live 6mths of the year in the sticks and 6mths in the City I think I know a few things.

BTW When you need a repair do you pay a repairman City Prices or Country prices.LOL

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Originally Posted by JBen

Good post.



Isn't the idea of moving to the "sticks" to change ones lifestyle?

There will always be tradeoffs, but this something I suspect who live and work in the cities truly don't understand, appreciate or really comprehend. Those who work in industries where certain things are taken for granted, don't understand.

There are tradeoffs, somethings will be more expensive. Just look at gas and based on recent post Ive seen on FB from friends.
SW Ont is paying give or take 5-8 cents....0.70/litre
Niagara/St Catheriens....0.80/litre
Durham region....0.90/litre
Northern Ont, like the Soo, TB or Timmins? $1.00?

However, I doubt many will argue that the city is on par, or cheaper over all.

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Generally, goods (including gasoline) are more expensive in the sticks - unless your "sticks" includes chain stores.
Housing is cheaper in the sticks.
Labour is cheaper in the sticks (but no so much as you'd think it would be).