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Thanks for posting that I was unaware of that in the New Testament. No need to commend just engaging in the discussion. Like I said not trying to start a religious debate. One of the things that I found most troubling about the shooting was the statements on social media about how " the sinner gays had it coming ". But I did find this gem on Facebook http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...3143e6cf66.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
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Originally Posted by stragglelake
Mercy . Knowing how your sexual orientation is formed has nothing to do with religion.
The Old testament is historical and in teaching salvation, points out and gives examples of immorality, especially the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in part because of homosexuality. You act like you just discovered a cure for Cancer with your post. You harp and drum about "fundamentalist" cherry picking then your self righteousness causes you to CHERRYPICK, what a hypocritical post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
Who said "the old testament is not the word of Jesus in the same breath?" Weasel words Fox, deflection, straw man.
Do you THINK it's not coming to Canada or won't come to Canada? Bell Canada every Feb. like clockwork, claims 1 in 5 Canadians are mentally ill. LETS TALK.
I'll ask you the same Fox, Do you think it's the gun? Do you think it's Christianity? The evil "AR 15?" lol. Is it Christians waging jihad? Or is it Christians whom are being persecuted and ridiculed?
Your minister of PS Goodale can't even get the firearm in the Pulse shooting correct. So much for that pathetic, high level federal briefing. I guess he gets his intel from CBC.
In my personal experience with these type shootings, it was bullying or terrorism. The same bullying gays do to bakers when they want to have a same sex marriage and want to FORCE a baker to make them a cake. why not just go elsewhere, I do.
If you have some revelation please share it as the world needs your vast Tactical and Strategic "wisdum" to help us defeat the ideology and prevent these attacks by these inanimate guns and or these dastardly Christians you are so quick to condemn.
Sure it does, 100 years ago we told woman they couldn't vote because they were not smart enough, 75 years ago we made blacks drink from different fountains and go to different schools. Still today we tell two people that they cannot marry and are not entitled to the same rights as others based on there sexual orientation.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The "then in our schools they continue to push the idea that having two mothers is normal and everything is ok" quote takes the cake.
This is ignorance plain and simple. Politically correct ??? Who are you to say two people cannot have a child... Complete BS!
It is a reference to Egypt. Don't be like the Egyptians...Do not shave your head nor square your beard....a characterization of Egyptians. More of a Godly advice for the fleeing Israelites not to become like Egypt.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantcatchacold
Levites were a definite sect of Israel (from the tribe of Levi one of the twelve original tribes of Israel)whom only the "preachers"/ Priest could come from in that early day and time.
It is a sad situation when an act like Orlando happens. It is even a more sad day when the "had it coming" crowd arrives, yet it speaks to the misconception that homosexuality is accepted, it simply isn't in America. Tolerated to a point yes.
No one is without sin, we were born into it. The Christian teaching is to be in the world but not "of" the world of sin.
So as a similarity for the sake of discussion, if all the bars with adulterers, criminals and Christians were gunned down the same way, THAT would make it right???(they had it coming???NO). See it just isn't right no matter the clientele.
When I invite others to Church many say I can't because I've been a hypocrite about bla bla bla. I always say no matter, we can always use one more, come anyway.
It's about turning away from sin, encouraging others to consider the same and securing a spiritual legal standing with God. That is Christianity in a nutshell.
Skypilot,Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
I am not incorrect in my assertion that people won't be bumping into JoePa as he attempts to shoot his bad guy. People are panicking and panicked people aren't the most reliable to predict. Once a person enters a flight or fight response, anything/anybody they deem a threat will be dealt with in some way which may not be the most logical way. So there is a real possibility JoePa could be bull rushed and knocked around while firing his handgun which now means he has put the entire group in more danger than it already is in (uncontrolled muzzle control while firing).
I understand the difference between cover and concealment. I was not debating the difference between the two. In JoePa's scenario the bad guy has a very real possibility of seeing JoePa which at that point JoePa needs to find cover unless of course JoePa is far enough away (but then he would be starting to draw his firearm before he confirms there is a problem).
As for the length of my posts, I didn't realize I was under a word count. As for not having much fact, my counterpoints are grounded in more reality than JoePa's "if someone was there and armed" fantasy.
No one ever said JoePa doesn't have the right to think what he does. However, he has posted on an open forum and we can debate and refute what he believes. You say we have been intolerant. How so? Disagreeing with someone's point of view isn't intolerant, poking holes in a fantasy where an elderly man some how manages to stop a bad guy in a crowded place without causing collateral damage isn't being intolerant. Intolerance would mean we didn't want to hear what JoePa's position is and we want him to be banned and I have yet to see someone ask for that. Intolerant would be to tell JoePa to leave this website and never post again because his beliefs are wrong but no one has suggested that either. I have never forced my beliefs on JoePa. I don't think this is actually possible over the internet. As for attacking him, I provided actual logic to his fantasy in attempt to show him what his is proposing isn't as cut and dry as he makes it out to be.
I wish this was a matter of simply letting people arm themselves anywhere but the reality is it is way more complicated. 49 people wouldn't have had to die and more injured if it were that simple. There are just as many things which could go wrong in a scenario of an armed civilian walking around public places as there would be of it going right.
Dyth
I don't think I've ever waded into a religious debate on here before, but I'm home with my feet up with gout again and I have time to spare so why not I guess....
It's funny how many come on here and preach tolerance of so many different things yet are completely intolerant of someone's religious beliefs. Personally, I'm not overly religious but I was raised Catholic and my kids go to a Catholic school. We don't push religion on them but wish for them to choose their own path based on what they learn from us and in school. I tend to keep my personal beliefs to myself for a good number of reasons, but the way I see it you anti-religious ranters are so blinded by your absolute hatred of religion that you can't see that you're nothing more than an extremist on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think Hunter John said it well earlier, insulting one's personal beliefs is no better than forcing your views on someone.
Hypocrisy runs out of control around here sometimes, and some folks type a lot faster than they think.
I believe he posted that he would draw, and fire from behind an object, possibly an overturned table if I remember. Regardless, no one is going to flee into an overturned table or a obstruction in their way. They will go around it. They will also get out of the way of a pointed gun in their immediate proximity, one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Once this slaughter was initiated it is no longer a zero sum game. People are already dead and people are going to be hurt and die whether the terrorist shoots them or the Tactical team shoots them. That is the reality of the possibilities.
The possibility of a few(or one) out of 350 people having a gun and getting or having an opportunity to use it a some point in time would be a definite advantage. Much better than no chance, if for no other reason than to break the OODA and cause the shooter to go defensive.
I also can appreciate the data point on his admitted age but that isn't really the focus is it. The focus is on a firearm in the hands of a person for use during an active shooting.
The shooter recognized the uniformed cop, which wasn't an advantage, nor where the other cops that arrived and engaged, but once he got into the area and began the carnage a patron firearm would have been an advantage.
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Originally Posted by cantcatchacold
It forbids people of God to mark their bodies with the symbols of the other gods. Many early Christians mark small tattoos on their wrist to symbolize the markings of the nails. Although a fish was a more common symbol.. so no tattoos are not forbidden, just marking that symbolize the worship of other gods..
The priests( of old and new testament) and even leaders in the New Testament have a few EXTRA rules.
The Christian teaching is to be of the world but not "in" the world of sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by skypilot
You have "in" and "of" reversed.