Crossbow killing

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

But maybe there is some other point that I'm missing. Oh, I just though of something, there are those who do not want to take the firearm course and write the exam. I knew of someone like that, because of his age he feared the prospect of being trained and tested. But there maybe yet other situations. What are they?

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How about guys who aren't old enough to have a PAL and are Bow hunting now ?

It's a lot of things R. From differences in social values ( socioeconomic) to GC and likely a few more. The world is rarely straight forward and more. I don't know that "population numbers" come into it. Certainly when expressed as per capita despite our many similarities, this topic anyways stands out like a sore thumb. Neither Baltimore, DC or Chicago are as large as Toronto, (Toronto is larger than Chicago for sure) yet all 3 far out pace the gun deaths if I'm not mistaken. Regardless, pinning the tail on a single factor is never going to provide "solutions". Be that as it may, the NRA and most of the "pro" crowd share some of the blame because it is part of it. Had there been more willingness to identify actual/real problems and find things that make sense ( #1 ) then admit a need (#2) maybe the per capita wouldn't be off the charts.

Not unlike that community we talked about, except in that case it's the opposite. Before things could get better, the "residents" had to admit the problem and want change.

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Originally Posted by JBen

We know that rippen.
Why do you think he had one? Could it be due to his record, a revolving door justice system and they are the next best thing to a gun? Willing to bet, his reason for having one, were nothing good.

and getting one was as easy as proving he was 18. He may not even have been asked for ID. I've never been asked for ID when buying one.

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How do we know it was even his? Could have been a brother's.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Actually I was being a bit facetious, parroting the rule for crossbows and bolts, that are suppose to keep long-guns out of the hands of those who would misused them. As for crossbows under federal law they are not as yet considered to be firearm under the Firearms Act. This it seems is what everyone worries about might come to pass. This would mean taking the same safety precautions with crossbows as we now do with long-guns. For the record I put a trigger lock on my crossbow. Provincially you see crossbows are considered firearms, check the definition of firearms in your hunting regulation, which summarize the Wildlife Fish and Game Act. In my case I have to live with provincial policies that require me to trigger lock my crossbow when on display. Having been doing it with long-guns, it does really stack up as a big imposition to do it with my crossbow. I know, if you keep conceding ground to them, it will mean they will eventually have it all. Unfortunately its a human failing, appetite grows on what it feeds. Public safety is paramount. In the name of public safety politician can seem to get away with passing any piece of legislation they please. Here's the thing, regulated hunting was not the brain child of government, it came from the hunting community, watching the demise of the passenger pigeon and the lost of the great buffalo herd. It was becoming apparent if market hunting was stopped there would soon be no game to hunt. Hence no more hunting, and so hunting groups put pressure on the government to introduce regulated hunting to conserve the wildlife resource. So maybe its time for us to mandate the government add crossbows to the Firearms Act, instead of running for cover every time some wing-nut misuses one. What would this say to the population at large, if it was the hunting community, who were the ones promoting the cause of public safety rather than the government. If we don't start turning the tables on public safety concerns, the future of hunting doesn't look to promising.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting
- Gun Nut

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There are no provincial policies that make it necessary to trigger lock a crossbow.....

Toronto and Chicago populations are almost identical by numbers.


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Originally Posted by JBen

It's a lot of things R. From differences in social values ( socioeconomic) to GC and likely a few more. The world is rarely straight forward and more. I don't know that "population numbers" come into it. Certainly when expressed as per capita despite our many similarities, this topic anyways stands out like a sore thumb. Neither Baltimore, DC or Chicago are as large as Toronto, (Toronto is larger than Chicago for sure) yet all 3 far out pace the gun deaths if I'm not mistaken. Regardless, pinning the tail on a single factor is never going to provide "solutions". Be that as it may, the NRA and most of the "pro" crowd share some of the blame because it is part of it. Had there been more willingness to identify actual/real problems and find things that make sense ( #1 ) then admit a need (#2) maybe the per capita wouldn't be off the charts.

Not unlike that community we talked about, except in that case it's the opposite. Before things could get better, the "residents" had to admit the problem and want change.

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The FBI UCR spells it out clearly. Down to the Population Area size, Gender, Race, Age, etc.

That's the other kicker. We know WHERE and WHO yet we do nothing but blame anyone but the doer.

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Originally Posted by stragglelake

Toronto and Chicago populations are almost identical by numbers.


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lol, yep....you missed the elephant in the room too.

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Originally Posted by skypilot

lol, yep....you missed the elephant in the room too.

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Haha I didn't miss it.
I was going to post the Chicago demographics in comparison to Toronto but chose not to.



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Originally Posted by MikePal

How about guys who aren't old enough to have a PAL and are Bow hunting now ?

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Wouldn't they fall into the apprenticeship program it starts at age 12, if they successfully pass, and get the A1 Outdoor Card they can be mentor to the age of 15 sharing a firearm with their mentor, or if they get the A2 Outdoor Card and share archery equipment with their mentor. After 15 if they have successful passed the firearm course, they qualify for a Minors Permit which is good up until their 18th birthday, and while 15 with parental consent they can get the H1 Outdoor Card and be pretty much on their own. At 16 they no longer need parental consent. I suspect these are the individual you're thinking of, who beg off doing a firearm course and would only qualify for the H2 Outdoors Card. Actually I'm aware of someone who fits into this niche and will probably continue in archery for the rest of his life. Whether up grading the crossbow to a firearm, would prove a hardship to them, it hard to say. Maybe it would be an incentive for them to upgrade to an H1. But my point still remains it would look better for us to be proactive and do the pushing, rather than sitting back and having it done to us. I have a feeling that at some point in the not too distance future it will unavoidably get done.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
_ Gun Nut

So,it's now official from Toronto Police. The first victim,a female,was killed with a wire garrot (a garrot,ffs). The second victim,a male,was stabbed in the throat with a crossbow bolt. The third victim,another male was stabbed with an arrow. No crossbow was used in the commission of these offences......which is of ZERO consolation. Who the he** is that crazy bas**rd,anyway?