MNRF cuts.

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Originally Posted by bdog

Just to be clear, teachers PA days, are paid, but they are at work for those days, it's not a day off for them, and the 2 months off, they get paid for those 2 months off by having their pay cut through out the year and given back to them for those 2 months while off, and when they retire, their benefits stop also

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Teachers work on a PD day? You know when there's PD day in our board because it's hard to get a seat at the local pub at lunch time. Or does PD stand for piss drunk?

My teacher-wife, always got a big check at the end of June, that had to be budgeted to last till the first payday in Sept.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Forcing people to work in a certain area........ sounds like communism to me.

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They already force doctors to work in certain areas.

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Originally Posted by DanO

The trick is to treat your employees as well as those in a union shop. Most workers don't want to unionize IMO. If they are being treated fairly I think the employer can avoid unions although they certainly are aggressive in their efforts. Lindmar, Toyota, Honda, etc seem to have avoided unionizing. Not sure how though?

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It is incorrect to say "if they are being treated fairly ... employer can avoid unions"
Unions need a reason to justify themselves. No matter how good the conditions are, every so many years, they need to cause a ruckus ...
Do you know how many good employers have been painted bad by the unions ...

If all employers treated employees well, do we need unions anymore? (you might think that's not the case, but entertain me here). If that could happen, what do
you think the union bosses would do ... just go on retirement and dissolve the union ... give up his/her very case for existence in the work force? Human greed and power ... it's a really corrupt thing.

We think in ideologies ... it doesn't exist with humans ... that's why making a case based on ethics is in fact a fallacy.

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Originally Posted by bdog

Just to be clear, teachers PA days, are paid, but they are at work for those days, it's not a day off for them, and the 2 months off, they get paid for those 2 months off by having their pay cut through out the year and given back to them for those 2 months while off, and when they retire, their benefits stop also

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Not if you're a contract teacher ... then you get nothing on days off. Not even summer ... you have to go on UI.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Forcing people to work in a certain area........ sounds like communism to me.

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Sure...

Happens to CF members all the time....

Everyone has an option....take the posting, or take your resume and seek employment wherever you'd like to hang your hat.....

For all those that really believe it is greener on the other side, maybe it's a time for a career change.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

It is incorrect to say "if they are being treated fairly ... employer can avoid unions"
Unions need a reason to justify themselves. No matter how good the conditions are, every so many years, they need to cause a ruckus ...
Do you know how many good employers have been painted bad by the unions ...

If all employers treated employees well, do we need unions anymore? (you might think that's not the case, but entertain me here). If that could happen, what do
you think the union bosses would do ... just go on retirement and dissolve the union ... give up his/her very case for existence in the work force? Human greed and power ... it's a really corrupt thing.

We think in ideologies ... it doesn't exist with humans ... that's why making a case based on ethics is in fact a fallacy.

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Well, it goes both ways. Greed and power are the reasons unions were needed in the first place.

Try working for a global company that would love to get away with treating their employees in Canada the same way they treat them in third world countries. Then tell me unions aren't needed.

I'm guessing you've never worked for such a company, nor have most that are quick to bash unions.

I do agree with some of your points though. There's an ugly side to unions as well.

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Originally Posted by DanO

The trick is to treat your employees as well as those in a union shop. Most workers don't want to unionize IMO. If they are being treated fairly I think the employer can avoid unions although they certainly are aggressive in their efforts. Lindmar, Toyota, Honda, etc seem to have avoided unionizing. Not sure how though?

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The companies you mention treat their employees with integrity and fairness. For the most part,they obey and actively support labor laws,safety regs and have an active employee association that meets regularly to address issues that inevitably arise. Benefit packages are excellent. It's important to note,though,the welfare of the corporate entity looms large in all aspects of the business. There is not an "us vs. them" attitude that was so prevalent with union shops of the former "Big Three". People who apply and are hired sign an acknowledgement agreement that they're being hired in a "non-union" environment as a condition of employment. Variation of any part of the agreement is grounds for dismissal without recourse.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Just to be clear,Teachers are paid for the two months off plus all the "PA" days,winter and spring breaks as part of their yearly salary. It's a damn good gig,but,it requires at least one university degree with regular upgrades. Career advancement and salary raises also require extra degrees. Dealing with children to young adults within a "politically correct" system can have a very high degree of "burnout",not to mention cases of PTSD from violence which occurs more on a regular basis,anymore. I sure know I wouldn't want the job.

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Plus teachers benefits stop the day they retire.... After the retirement date, benefits if they want them, must come out of their own pocket, a pension they get, benefits they do not...Anyway, things always look greener on the other side..............