Hunting rifles and big game at distance

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Originally Posted by oaknut

Even a bullet to the spine directly below the skull does not cause instant brain death.

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You might want to check with swat/seal training...they are taught to shot thru the mouth to hit the spine at the back of the throat. Instant loss of all brain functions (instant death) ...important when the target is holding a detonating device.

People who break their spines and survive, it's usually lower down the neck.

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Originally Posted by Pair88

Would love to try that out and practice at further distance than usual 100 yards. For one day me more comfortable using the 30-06 and 22-250. Haven't had much range time with them cause getting to the range is so expensive and not worth the year since they are so far looking into cornwall gun club since it's a 10 minute drive from my house but want to see what there longest range is and hopefully it's more than 100 yards.

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There is a club (National Capital Region Rifle Association (NCRRA) ) that has (had?) memberships available to use the Connaught military ranges in Ottawa. It has up to 900 meter capability.

http://www.ncrra.ca/index.php

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Originally Posted by MikePal

There is a club (National Capital Region Rifle Association (NCRRA) ) that has (had?) memberships available to use the Connaught military ranges in Ottawa. It has up to 900 meter capability.

http://www.ncrra.ca/index.php

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Only issue with that is that we live in moose creek that's over an hour drive to shoot and with a 6 year old daughter that we have a hard time someone watching her for a day for me and my wife to even go for supper so that's a big reason I haven't signed up for a range membership yet... lol

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Originally Posted by Pair88

Only issue with that is that we live in moose creek that's over an hour drive to shoot and with a 6 year old daughter that we have a hard time someone watching her for a day for me and my wife to even go for supper so that's a big reason I haven't signed up for a range membership yet... lol

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Buy her a pair of pink earmuffs and bring her with you.

My GFs daughter is 4, we do it.

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Buy her a pair of pink earmuffs and bring her with you.

My GFs daughter is 4, we do it.

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We do it as well, she has a 22lr savage rascal and loves shooting a few rounds wife has a video she was hystatic she got 5 for 5 on a cup about 15 yards away.

Are you allowed to take her to rangers at that age? I'm sure if I looked more into their websites they would tell me lol cause she loves shooting her little 22 and the wife's semi auto 22 it's the cutest thing in the world lol

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Buy her a pair of pink earmuffs and bring her with you.

My GFs daughter is 4, we do it.

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Great comment.........get the kids out!!!!

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Originally Posted by oaknut

Those guys are shooting 80lb deer with a 243 and 308 so they have plenty of energy.

Yes, hitting the brachial plexus will knock down a deer and anchor it there, is it instant death, no. Is it ethical, for sure.

As for the "fake video", nobody said it was fake. I did say it was edited just to show the cream.

Much like a Ram commercial, they will show that truck barreling through mud and snow with ease but what they don't show is the week in the repair shop after! Hahahaha, shots fired!

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I shoot with a couple of English friends, [ skeet and sporting clays] they tell me that in England and Scotland, the high shoulder shot is the prefered shot even on the larger Red Deer.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

You might want to check with swat/seal training...they are taught to shot thru the mouth to hit the spine at the back of the throat. Instant loss of all brain functions (instant death) ...important when the target is holding a detonating device.

People who break their spines and survive, it's usually lower down the neck.

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Big difference between hitting the spine above the shoulder and hitting the base of the brain (medulla oblongata) which is where a shot at the back of the throat is going.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medulla_oblongata

That's why I stated in an earlier post that the further up the neck you go, the more likely it's lights out. As Oaknut posted, hitting the spine further back just paralyzes everything from where you hit and back.

Contrary to what is being posted here by others who should know better based on their own experience, hitting the spine does not equal instant death. It does make for an easy walk up to put a finisher in it though, they aren't going far without use of their hind legs.

The high shoulder shot, as shown in the videos, looks dramatic (especially on animals that top out at 80 lbs) but it's not instant death. Note how the camera is never on the animal longer than 10 seconds or so after the shot. In one video, you can see the deer start to move its head again before the camera cuts. When they somewhat recover from having the wind knocked out if them and laid flat by the energy transfer, they start to expire. That usually takes a bit of time. Generally that's when the cameraman turns to film the high fivin' and back slappin'.

Although it looks like those deer are going to cover some ground in the heart/lung shot videos, they're dead in short order. All those reactions to the shot are exactly what you want to see, and you're not losing both front shoulders of a deer.

If you're unwilling to follow a blood trail for 50 or 100 yards to recover your animal, you're in the wrong sport.

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Originally Posted by GW11

Big difference between hitting the spine above the shoulder and hitting the base of the brain (medulla oblongata) which is where a shot at the back of the throat is going.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medulla_oblongata

That's why I stated in an earlier post that the further up the neck you go, the more likely it's lights out. As Oaknut posted, hitting the spine further back just paralyzes everything from where you hit and back.

Contrary to what is being posted here by others who should know better based on their own experience, hitting the spine does not equal instant death. It does make for an easy walk up to put a finisher in it though, they aren't going far without use of their hind legs.

The high shoulder shot, as shown in the videos, looks dramatic (especially on animals that top out at 80 lbs) but it's not instant death. Note how the camera is never on the animal longer than 10 seconds or so after the shot. In one video, you can see the deer start to move its head again before the camera cuts. When they somewhat recover from having the wind knocked out if them and laid flat by the energy transfer, they start to expire. That usually takes a bit of time. Generally that's when the cameraman turns to film the high fivin' and back slappin'.

Although it looks like those deer are going to cover some ground in the heart/lung shot videos, they're dead in short order. All those reactions to the shot are exactly what you want to see, and you're not losing both front shoulders of a deer.

If you're unwilling to follow a blood trail for 50 or 100 yards to recover your animal, you're in the wrong sport.

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I beg to differ, looks pretty damn dead IMO. great lesson for a new hunter
https://youtu.be/OimGcxEmpEM

People make it sound like your losing 1/2 the deer with a high shoulder shot. Have you actually butchered your own deer after one? Sure you lose a bit but it might make a couple of burgers. It’s really not the end of the world. I get more meat from the heart and liver than what you will lose from that shot. And a high percentage of hunters have no issue leaving those in the field.