Opinion piece on the Spring Bear hunt

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Originally Posted by tkipfer

For those of you that managed to stay on topic I appreciate the input.

I'd have to agree that the article certainly appears to be written by someone living in the Southern regions of the province as he shares much of the anecdotal (and empirically false) evidence I have heard from other folks living in the urban south (although certainly I have met many who understand these issues for what they really are).

Although there is much I disagree with when it comes to the Ford government, it seems to me that the MNRF has developed somewhat of a backbone to stand behind scientific data since the conservatives took power. Evidence of this was this move to reinstate the spring bear hunt, while simultaneously taking an indepth look at the failing bear population of the Bruce Peninsula and what could be done there (including limiting hunting opportunities) to fix that. A government that is willing to look both hunters and anti-hunters in the eye and state a path forward that is in the best interests of our resources and not the special interests of either group is at the very least, making one right decision.

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You are correct.

Sorry for breaking up the place.:ashamed:

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The portion of the article that is correct is this one.



The spring bear hunt isn't about meat it's about money. The bears are just coming out of hibernation and have less meat on them than later in the year. What they do have however is luxurious fur that hasn't been rubbed against trees.

Fatass Americans and Europeans come to Ontario, outfitters stick them in a stand, fill a barrel with stale donuts from Timmies and a hungry bear gets blasted so Bubba or Fritz can get a rug. Maybe the meat gets fed to the dogs.

It's the same as the losers who go to Africa and shoot a giraffe. The meat isn't particularly desirable, they are easy to hunt and kill and the hides are quite popular.

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Rubbish! WE could use a lot less of this..........

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Originally Posted by tkipfer

For those of you that managed to stay on topic I appreciate the input.

I'd have to agree that the article certainly appears to be written by someone living in the Southern regions of the province as he shares much of the anecdotal (and empirically false) evidence I have heard from other folks living in the urban south (although certainly I have met many who understand these issues for what they really are).

Although there is much I disagree with when it comes to the Ford government, it seems to me that the MNRF has developed somewhat of a backbone to stand behind scientific data since the conservatives took power. Evidence of this was this move to reinstate the spring bear hunt, while simultaneously taking an indepth look at the failing bear population of the Bruce Peninsula and what could be done there (including limiting hunting opportunities) to fix that. A government that is willing to look both hunters and anti-hunters in the eye and state a path forward that is in the best interests of our resources and not the special interests of either group is at the very least, making one right decision.

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.......and lots more like this. Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

I haven't been on a spring bear hunt. There isn't much sport in popping a bear with its head stuffed into a barrel of donuts

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Well with that comment you just lost any credibility you might have had. You just proved how ignorant you really are when it comes to bear hunting, let alone calling legal hunters douchebags and losers, I'm sure the outfitters just love them. You've set a new low.
Thing is nobody gives a rat's arse if you don't think giraffes should be shot. If someone wants to do it that's their business. If Gilroy doesn't want to that's his business. I wouldn't either, I'd pick other quarry for sure though. And if you actually knew as much as you seem to think you would realize that giraffe hunting is used to control populations to proper levels, same as with most other game animals in Africa. Hunting has always, and still provides much needed financial dividends to the economy that can never be replaced by . Do you realize the damage that runaway populations of giraffe can cause to vegetation to the point of killing smaller trees by stripping them of leaves.

Question for you Badenoch. Have you actually hunted for anything in Africa? From what you say you seem to have plenty of PH "pals" in two countries. Not sure why they would relate to your line of work out there, or were they just some local bar room guys you met maybe?

To add to what smitty 55 said about Giraffe's , some are culled , the aggressive older males that kill the younger ones, this also goes for a lot of the other animals that are hunted in Africa and for this opportunity the hunters still pay a large dollar for the license as a friend of ours has on several occasions.

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Originally Posted by tkipfer

Although there is much I disagree with when it comes to the Ford government, it seems to me that the MNRF has developed somewhat of a backbone to stand behind scientific data since the conservatives took power.

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I agree, things do look better under John Yakabuski (Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry). He was a goof fit to the job.

As for the rest of the nonsense posted here...a whole lot of successful trolling, well baited by the usual cast of misfits that do nothing but stir the pot.

Good post tkipfer, maybe the thread will stay on track now that that crap is behind us.

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Originally Posted by smitty55

Question for you Badenoch. Have you actually hunted for anything in Africa? From what you say you seem to have plenty of PH "pals" in two countries. Not sure why they would relate to your line of work out there, or were they just some local bar room guys you met maybe?

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Explained that earlier. Many of the resource workers that I worked with hunted or had/have experience working as or with PH's and I got to know them through the course of business.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

So what you are saying is that you are part of the large Corporations that are raping African Countries of their wealth and resources by paying off corrupt Governments. Paying mercenary groups for pushing Tribes off their traditional home lands, by beating or murdering them. So that you can poison the water and destroy the land by stripping it to the rocks, and leave behind huge holes and piles of slug, plus wastewater ponds that well forever leech toxic chemicals into the lands.

But that's ok, you still feel you have a moral right to call other names for hunting.

But hey, what ever lets you sleep at night...

( Is that better Sawbill?)

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LOL. You watch too many movies. If your objective was to demonstrate your completely ignorance about modern resource extraction in southern Africa consider your mission accomplished.

I must say this thread has been great entertainment lmfao!!! But I must say Badenoch go be a liberal somewhere else!!!

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Originally Posted by Tigboy 304

I must say this thread has been great entertainment lmfao!!! But I must say Badenoch go be a liberal somewhere else!!!

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How dare you tell someone to go somewhere else because you disagree with their opinion. With only 7 posts, you have not earned that right.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

How dare you tell someone to go somewhere else because you disagree with their opinion. With only 7 posts, you have not earned that right.

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A low post count certainly doesn't mean that someone can't recognize trolling bullshyte when they see it.