How many precent of Moose hunters are not picking up the assigned Moose tag ?
After second allocation
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How many precent of Moose hunters are not picking up the assigned Moose tag ?
After second allocation
I did not take a bull tag that was awarded to me.
Our group had 2 tags already.
I didn’t accept my bull tag in the first draw as we had enough without it. I drew a calf tag in the second… I may not buy that one either, we’ll see!
All these unclaimed tags eventually end up in the second and third choice as random draw which is why it's worth applying in those and the fact that you don't lose your points and actually gain one
I think-not challenging you,but since the timing is such -they all end up in Second Chance Allocation Stage- all 3 choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD TIMER
First likely they feed the 1st choice,and if any leftover-then they go 2 nd and 3 rd choices.
My biggest question would be : what happens with the NOT claimed tags from all 3 choices of the second allocation stage?
Someone mentioned here a while ago - huge number of tags were not claimed in 2021.........?
Outcome of the new system.
If true-depriving the willing ,able and keen from attaining a tag/go hunting.
All second chance tags do not have to be claimed. If not claimed, they don't go back for a third chance draw and will not be available to anyone else that may want to go - they are wasted.
This is a major flaw of this new system.
In wmu. 21a in 2021 there were 187 tag approx. that were awarded and not claimed in the second chance. In 15b there was a lot more not claimed. For all those non group hunters in the southern units that complained about not getting a tag for years and years are still only going to get their 1 or 2 moose hunts in their lifetime. This is by far a better system for groups. But for sure the Mnr. Can sure waste tags.
So,then after 2 years of lessons learned (if willing too)the MNRF could make changes,to improve fair access to tags.
Few ideas:
-Add 3 chance draw.There is enough time for this ,from Aug 1st -till season start ,to do so.
-Limit "not picking up"tag options,by motivating tag pick up(either by preventing drawn tag holders to not pickup tags at second draw-or :if one gives up tags 2 x in a row,no choice to apply the 3 rd time until once not picked up a tag,or implementing the 3 rd draw only for the ones not got drawn for a tag yet in that year.)
Many options to make the system more fair.
Of course,if MNRF is interested in this.
These unclaimed tags also are creating another potential problem: they are encouraging illegal activity as some potential tag claimants may be tempted to claim the tag only after they harvest an animal. I hope that the MNRF fully investigates any tags claimed and used during the open season for this reason.
It would be far better to give second chance "winners" 2 weeks or so to claim the tags and then put any unclaimed tags in a surplus tag pool, that then would be available on a first come first served basis as was done previously.
However I have a feeling that this was by MNRF design to reduce the numbers of hunters and animal harvested.
I'm not convinced that's a flaw. I think that's exactly how the system was designed to make tags available only for those who qualify in specific areas where it's been deemed that the area can sustain a precise harvest for heard management leaving other areas unaffected to stop over harvest in some areas and under harvest in others. By leaving unclaimed tags unissued,that ensures tags aren't issued in areas where the balance could be upended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahuntr300