Anyone know the legality of using shot, wild migratory birds for dog training???
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Anyone know the legality of using shot, wild migratory birds for dog training???
Its a pretty grey area. I do use some shot migratory birds (mergys and the odd goose) but prefer to use farm raised ducks instead...just on the off chance of a CO confrontation. I imagine they would be understanding but it still makes me nervous.
Some HRC folks may be able to shed more light on the topic.
I'm sure a lot of people use birds they shoot for training. Lot easier and cheaper.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty using birds you have shot for retriever training is common. That may mean the bird won't be edible later :) which would bother folks who believe in eating everything they shoot(reasonably so). , but I see no law against it.
http://www.ec.gc.ca/rcom-mbhr/?lang=en&n=99FDEC59-1
Brent,
Here is some information, you'll note for the purpose of training retrievers. I did not find but also know that retriever clubs can hold up to 250 legally taken ducks for the purpose of training/trialing.
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Hey Brent,Quote:
Originally Posted by brent
I really think this is a grey area because on one hand you will be letting the meat spoil (freezing and thawing repeatedly will make the meat bad) but I am not 100% sure if migratory birds fall under the FWCA spoilage rule or not. The FWCA has the spoilage law but mentions migratory birds fall under the Migratory Bird Act and Regulations which has no spoilage law which I can find. Probably best to contact the MNR and check up on the matter. Personally, I would simply contact a local farmer and purchase a dispatched domestic one because it is much easier to get and you would be 100% in the clear legally (probably not best to argue whether it is moral or not to use legally shot migratory birds as training aids).
Dyth
Since Jobber's cited a "gray area" and Kraka's mentioned Manitoba, this might be a good cautionary tale before you go using wild birds for training. I told Kraka yesterday we have no possession limit on snow geese in my precinct in the first place but many of the snows I've used for training down the years were cripples shot by other hunters and recovered by dogs from a large body of water in "my backyard." That wasn't really training, throwing them as dead birds later was, however. Thing is, if there were possession limits or strictly-enforced "wanton waste of game" laws hereabouts, all bets would've been off.
Dyth,
According to the above section, this is clear re purposes of dog training.
"Hunters can give away their birds for the purposes of mounting or human consumption, or for training dogs as retrievers"
I didn't know that. The Mountain Valley Retriever Training Club website is incorrect as they state in the club rules it is illegal (Club rule 12).Quote:
Originally Posted by krakadawn
Re. the above , I think that you will find this to be " A Club Rule " to ease every ones mind, it prevents outsiders , people that do not know from complaining that " hey you are using migratory birds to train with " , also there would be a possibility of some unethical hunters donating their unwanted birds to the club and going out and shoot some more because they can claim the "we do not have any in our possession " so we can go and shoot some . Or those that would cull their birds , donating well shot up birds or the hens .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
I think you can read between the lines and see what I am getting at , the MVRTC is just trying to prevent any possible problems by purchasing their birds for training purposes and the hunt tests as do most other clubs .