From the Liberal Rag

No mention of the Native problems, just blame the hunters

https://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...port-says.html

Ontario’s moose population is under threat with “rapid declines” in numbers over the past decade, warns the environmental commissioner in a report released Wednesday that urges the government to take better care of the province’s wildlife and forests.
“One of Ontario’s most important species is the moose. Moose are key forest species in most of Ontario,” said Dianne Saxe, who blamed the “loss of roadless areas, too much fire suppression, disease, parasites and hunting all make life difficult for moose.
“Climate change is making it worse — moose are exquisitely adapted to cold weather and very poorly adapted for heat.
In her report, titled Small Steps Forward, Saxe also cited a “large-scale loss of biodiversity,” calling it a “crisis in our province and around the world.”
In Ontario, eight of 27 amphibian species are considered at risk, as are moose, and four of eight bat species are listed as endangered.

I actually read the article and they did not blame the hunters for the whole decline but mentioned many other factors.

If anyone does not believe these other factors have made a difference then they need to get into the field more often.

Climate change has made an enormous difference in the hunt, this year I saw area,s that used to be under 2 feet of water now dry,
I saw active beaver ponds down 4 or 5 feet in water levels. The Moose are not moving around and are in very different places.

Sure the Aboriginal people have some people taking advantage but we get a good number of none aboriginals charged and convicted every year.

Its a good job the Star is actually reporting these issues.IMHO

i live in wmu's 46/49/47 i can telll you first hand 75% of the problem is Aboriginal's . there was 36 ADULT moose last year shot in shawanaga alone !! thats just what was reported to there band office . thats one reserve. I do not know one person who got an adult tag last year or this year .this is a canada wide serious problem . how many non aboriginals are charged yearly in canada for shooting adult moose ? maybe 100 ?? maybe

The First Nations don't even report what they kill. It's irresponsible science to not include the possibility that First Nations are part of the problem.

It's so ignorant I get insanely mad. Quoted from an article I read...

""Whenever a process involving First Nations is challenged, someone will run to the microphone to shout racism as a way to dodge the true issue. Namely, conservation is colour blind, and no fish or wildlife resource can withstand unlimited human harvest by anyone—period."

Our natural resources will be gone if people and government don't work together....I don't understand how anyone doesn't understand the simple concept.... take too much today there won't be enough tomorrow. Why don't certain First Nations get this? I don't know....

This issue is beyond a concern. Immediate action is required asap to stop the collapse of our wildlife from over harvest from First Nation. Not at the next federal election.... action is needed today or it's too late....

maskedburito i see your in my area . i was born and raised in carling/dillion area . i am sure you see and hear the same things i do . its very sad to see . and lets not forget about the walleye slaughtered every spring . if they can shoot what ever when ever how about using traditional weapons !!!( stick and string)not the white mans high powered rifles

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Originally Posted by bigbuckfisher

i live in wmu's 46/49/47 i can telll you first hand 75% of the problem is Aboriginal's . there was 36 ADULT moose last year shot in shawanaga alone !! thats just what was reported to there band office . thats one reserve. I do not know one person who got an adult tag last year or this year .this is a canada wide serious problem . how many non aboriginals are charged yearly in canada for shooting adult moose ? maybe 100 ?? maybe

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If your not taking into affect ALL THE OTHER factors which has lead to a population decline then why not? The number of non aboriginal hunters charged yearly in Canada would be a difficult figure to obtain,but even if we did obtain it I would probably double it in any event as these were the ones who got caught or self reported.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

If your not taking into affect ALL THE OTHER factors which has lead to a population decline then why not? The number of non aboriginal hunters charged yearly in Canada would be a difficult figure to obtain,but even if we did obtain it I would probably double it in any event as these were the ones who got caught or self reported.

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i have nothing agaist natives . i have 2 first cousins who are 50% native . its the lack of respect for wildlife MOST of them have . ive said this before when we buy our tag that keep's going up every year ! we give something back for the harvest of an animal if IF WE EVEN GET ONE .they are stealing from us and give nothing back .
not sure where you are in mississauga gilroy . but here in wmu's 46/49 the water is higher this year .our atv trails had more water then ever . last year i had to drive 10 ft father back to launch my boat .then this year ?

Gillroy,

Our climate has been changing for years and years. We have suffered through tough winters in the past couple years, but nothing like our herd has not seen before.
We use the same model they use in Scandinavia to manage their moose herd.
You need to also consider the intention of the individual writing this article. It sounds like slight anti hunt bias to me.
We need to know the numbers of moose harvested by the native community before ringing any alarm bells. It's thats simple. Its called transparency....not racism


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Originally Posted by bigbuckfisher

i have nothing agaist natives . i have 2 first cousins who are 50% native . its the lack of respect for wildlife MOST of them have . ive said this before when we buy our tag that keep's going up every year ! we give something back for the harvest of an animal if IF WE EVEN GET ONE .they are stealing from us and give nothing back .
not sure where you are in mississauga gilroy . but here in wmu's 46/49 the water is higher this year .our atv trails had more water then ever . last year i had to drive 10 ft father back to launch my boat .then this year ?

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LOL Well I can tell you I wasn't Moose hunting in Mississauga.But in Coe Hill, WMU 60 which is very much Southern Ontario I can reassure you the water levels are well down.So well down some of the local wells went dry including one of mine and it has never run dry while I have owned the place in the last 16 years.

Some aboriginals do take advantage but what about the one,s who do not,if they were all as bad as some guys want to make out we would have run out of Moose in Ontario 50 years ago.

My neighbor saw two bulls,two cows and three calfs last week and his gang shot 2 of the calf's, none of them are aboriginal, is their harvest sustainable.They did not have adult tags and might not get any next year,so what happens if they pop three calf,s next year?

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Originally Posted by BigTurk

Gillroy,

Our climate has been changing for years and years. We have suffered through tough winters in the past couple years, but nothing like our herd has not seen before.
We use the same model they use in Scandinavia to manage their moose herd.
You need to also consider the intention of the individual writing this article. It sounds like slight anti hunt bias to me.
We need to know the numbers of moose harvested by the native community before ringing any alarm bells. It's thats simple. Its called transparency....not racism


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Sure the article has a slight anti hunting bias, I agree with you but its not as the OP says "[COLOR=#333333]No mention of the Native problems, just blame the hunters".

The article did not just blame the hunters but mentioned many reasons for the decline,most have been discussed on this forum.